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[Alexandros Lordos]

Actually, I don't think it is by co-incidence. That paragraph says two "horrible things": Firstly, that it is conceivable that Turkey might have to make concessions on Cyprus. And secondly, that 600,000 GCs actually might have the power to stall Turkey's EU membership. So, two reasons for ... "creative editing"

P.S. Turkcyp, I 've read your post in "Annan Plan and 1960 Constitution" ... give me some time and I will respond - also about 1960 constitution.

[-mikkie2-]

Peter Prestons article pretty much sums up that the Annan Plan was a means for smoothing Turkeys path towards the EU at the expense of all Cypriots. He proposes that Greek Cypriots should look at the 'bigger picture' of Europe and sacrifice their fundamental rights in order to accomodate Turkey. Of course the 'few thousand houses' here and there are viewed as just material posessions and that the thousands of settlers from Anatolia are somehow a resource to be treasured in Cyprus, as if the indigenous Cypriots are not and that we should sacrifice ourselves for!

In my view, it is this short sightedness of people from the outside which seem to look at Cypriots as some kind of 2nd class human beings, that has led us to where we are now.

This also shows how people can read what they like from surveys, by enhancing certain results and to diminish others to fit the persons views.

[insan]

This also shows how people can read what they like from surveys, by enhancing certain results and to diminish others to fit the persons views.

mikkie, there are all kind of people all around the world. The likes of Preston and the translator of his article exists in South and North too. It's not hard to distinguish them.

[Alexandros Lordos]

This also shows how people can read what they like from surveys, by enhancing certain results and to diminish others to fit the persons views.

Preston didn't actually distort the facts of my survey. What he really did was to make a value-judgement (which judgement I disagree with) that some of the needs that GCs have expressed should be satisifed while others (notably settlers) should not, and that the GCs should be somehow "re-educated" in this issue. He also thought some of the GC needs were "petty and insignificant" (notably, property), again a value-judgement I strongly disagree with.

[turkcyp]

Preston didn't actually distort the facts of my survey. What he really did was to make a value-judgement (which judgement I disagree with) that some of the needs that GCs have expressed should be satisifed while others (notably settlers) should not, and that the GCs should be somehow "re-educated" in this issue. He also thought some of the GC needs were "petty and insignificant" (notably, property), again a value-judgement I strongly disagree with.

Don't beat yourself over it.

When you make a scientific research, you simply dig out facts. How these facts are interpreted (value-judgement) is out of control. You can read your study and interpret someway somebody else may read it and interpret some other way.

For example, I have read and interpreted your survey different than you did.

How is your survey about TCs going. Did you come up with more concrete questionere. Did you take into account some of my suggestions? Are you using any of the established polling companies in the north Cyprus. I mean some of them are doing very good job in terms of sampling and survey methods. In the last election some ofthem were able tp reodict the outcomes of elections in north to the accuracy of +/1 1% points, which is actually not that bad at all.

[MicAtCyp]

I had no doubt your study would be used in such a manner Alexandre! Trying to be logical and moderate my friend, is simply never enough for some people.

Most of the answers are there in a new Cypriot opinion research study by Alexandros Lordos*. Briefly, the UN plan was never a runner with Greek opinion - at least as reflected here. Maybe it wasn't sold hard enough, but in any case the buyers had shut their minds. They didn't like, but didn't ultimately reject, a federal compromise. They'd probably buy it again if a revised deal came back for a vote.

[Alexandros Lordos]

For example, I have read and interpreted your survey different than you did..

How did you intepret my survey? I am curious to hear a TC perspective of the results ...

Are you using any of the established polling companies in the north Cyprus. I mean some of them are doing very good job in terms of sampling and survey methods. In the last election some ofthem were able tp reodict the outcomes of elections in north to the accuracy of +/1 1% points, which is actually not that bad at all.

Any polling companies you would particularly reccomend? ...