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[Viewpoint]

Lets start with insincerity......


If you would like a clear picture GCs please refrain from voting.

[Get Real!]

Lets start with insincerity......

I entrust that you are aware that "intrust" should read "entrust".

Entrustingly yours.. GR.

[Piratis]

Since you have a poll in the thread shouldn't the title of this thread be "Do the Turkish Cypriots Mistrust the Greek Cypriots?".

In the way the title is now you are just inviting others to start a flame war against the "Evil GCs".

I did not vote in your poll since it refers to TCs.

But I will tell you why most GCs do not trust the TCs:
TCs have aligned themselves with the mainland Turks, the ones that have oppressed Greek Cypriots for centuries, and continue to do so until today. What TCs have shown us so far is that they want to gain on our loss way more than what proportionately belongs to them. They have also shown to us that they continue to blindly accept orders from Ankara (and I hope you don't need anybody to explain you why GCs do not trust Turkey).

I am not even going to talk about victims, casulaties etc as this have been discussed many times.

Therefore the mistrust is unfortunately mutual.

However you not trusting the GCs is no excuse for insisting on illegalities and crimes against GCs.
I do not trust other drivers when I drive, but all I can do about it is to be careful, not to ban them from driving while I do just so I will feel safe. If/when one driver breaks the law then that specific driver should be punished. I have no right to violate the rights of others simply because I do not trust them, and you do not either.

What we need in Cyprus is not more crimes and illegalities that will serve only to increase the mistrust, but a solution that will end all these illegalities and create an environment that all Cypriots are equal without racist discriminations. Such environment will slowly slowly lead to more and more trust, until the day that this will not be an issue at all.

Furthermore, your poll question is incorrect. Nobody asked from TCs to entrust GCs with your future. What it is asked is that Cypriots will entrust Cypriots for their future. Not only that, but the new constitution that will be agreed will be very specific, and GCs alone will not be able to change it.

Also there will be TC ministers (in all governments), and I suggested a TC president of RoC every few terms - proportional to TCs population. So don't make it sound as if in Cyprus we will adopt slavery, and TCs will be the slaves and GCs their masters!!! This is more or less what we had during the Ottomans (with GCs being the slaves) but today is 2007, we have democracy and Cyprus is an EU member, we are not living in the middle ages!

[Get Real!]

Piratis...

Let's NOT throw VP's topic in an opposite direction please. Just let him do his thing...
I'm interested to read all TC comments on this and hopefully counter them if required.

Regards, GR.

[humanist]

Piratis you have posted a very admirable, fair and just argument above

What TCs have shown us so far is that they want to gain on our loss way more than what proportionately belongs to them. They have also shown to us that they continue to blindly accept orders from Ankara (and I hope you don't need anybody to explain you why GCs do not trust Turkey).

Thre should be no question that anyone is gaining or loosing disproportianetely to their numbers because this is one country for all Cypriots. Everyone on this Country or of this Country, has their land, they have it Paphos, in Rizokarpasso, in Morphou in Larnac etc. People need to move back to their lands and then no wins or looses everthing is at it should be.That, my friends, is a free country my friend one that all of its citizens are free to be a live and work whereever they please without fear and without violence. We need to move towards re-writing our policies, laws and social structures to reflect that. Not to divide our country for the benefit of the vey few who have the misfortune to suffer from the dreaded disease known as power.

[T_C]

Why isnt there a "not sure" category? I'm really not sure (just being honest). My answer has nothing to do with Greek or GC people in general but I have no idea as to how the people in charge feel towards TCs and what their intentions are. If there was a fair solution then I would have no problem trusting the GCs. Does anyone understand where I'm coming from? This has nothing to do with people in this forum because I can understand their side of the story too, its more to do with my lack of knowledge on the powers that be...

[humanist]

turkish .... I am not sure of what you are asking, however I will attempt to respond. I cannot answer to the question what do people in charge feel about TSC's, however I believe that the intention of the RoC governement is for a unified Cyprus, where all of its citizens have equal rights and one that the whole of Cyprus is their nation.I believe that the fact that the TSC's have equall rights to those of Greek Speaking Cypriots, can live wherever they wish, can wotk in the RoC, have EU passports and RoC ID cards, show that the RoC are wanting a United Cyprus and appreciates the need for bizonnal/ bicommunal fedration under a federal government sytem
with representatives from all Cypriot communities.

[T_C]

turkish .... I am not sure of what you are asking, however I will attempt to respond. I cannot answer to the question what do people in charge feel about TSC's, however I believe that the intention of the RoC governement is for a unified Cyprus, where all of its citizens have equal rights and one that the whole of Cyprus is their nation.I believe that the fact that the TSC's have equall rights to those of Greek Speaking Cypriots, can live wherever they wish, can wotk in the RoC, have EU passports and RoC ID cards, show that the RoC are wanting a United Cyprus and appreciates the need for bizonnal/ bicommunal fedration under a federal government sytem
with representatives from all Cypriot communities.

Ok well everything you stated was what I was asking...like I said I'm not too informed on anything to do with the problem/solution.

I voted yes by the way...

[humanist]

my friend your vote represents what you believe, you do not need to tell me what you have voted, your told yourself and the world of what you are standing for in 2004. That is all that matters. Though I thank you for supporting the unification of our people. Many people think it's about the land and the notion that one counrty is undivided, though for me it is about human beings joining together and saying hey we are alll the same we look the same and feel the same (two feet, legs, arms, noe hands, eyes, brain, soul, spirit), lets make this a better world, I guess the land has become a metaphor of human unity, the fact that we all need the we all want a place to call our own emphasises that we amore the same than we think.

By the way, this is my believe system and it is only as informed as I make it to be. You need to make your own informed decisions as the apply to you, with a conscious mind that in oder for apllication to yourself they do not impinge on others, but wrk in melody to create a harmony.

[GAVCARoCOM]

my friend your vote represents what you believe, you do not need to tell me what you have voted, your told yourself and the world of what you are standing for in 2004. That is all that matters. Though I thank you for supporting the unification of our people. Many people think it's about the land and the notion that one counrty is undivided, though for me it is about human beings joining together and saying hey we are alll the same we look the same and feel the same (two feet, legs, arms, noe hands, eyes, brain, soul, spirit), lets make this a better world, I guess the land has become a metaphor of human unity, the fact that we all need the we all want a place to call our own emphasises that we amore the same than we think.

Humanist is good man