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[Viewpoint]

Piratis Ill break the chain here as our posts are getting longer and longer if we try and reply sentence by sentence.

The bottom line is that YES I lean more towards agreed partition because I cannot see us agreeing a unification solution but I have always been open to being persuaded differently that's really why I am here. But to date and I must admit you have mellowed slightly in your outlook towards TCs and their concerns and your last few posts have been encouraging the bottom line is if we do not have a clear cut plan towards removing the obstacles towards unification or even agreed partition then we will have more of the same, nothing will change. Both sides should be asking the representatives they elected why the hell aren't you around a table hammering this out....both sides are to blame and people on both sides of the divide have to see this. We think we a well educated and open minded but in fact we are no better than our ancestors who got us in the situation in the first place. All it would take would be for one side to take a few bold steps and the the rest would follow, the GCs being the recognized side should imo take those steps if they want to draw us away from Turkey and closer to them. being economically dependent does not give us much room for maneuvering you much be able to see this. Its time GC stood up and said sort this shit out now, share, open up to the TCs make them feel part of one Cyprus and not want their own space show them they will better off united with us than divided with Turkey. You current stand is having the opposite effect and will in time cement division recognized or not that will not even matter in 50 years time, but hey you always have the choice of waiting for that swing and in turn your sons sons sons could also be waiting.

[Get Real!]

The bottom line is that YES I lean more towards agreed partition because I cannot see us agreeing a unification solution but I have always been open to being persuaded differently that's really why I am here

I'm interested, if you have the time, in hearing your views and that of other TCs with regards to your ideas of a "acceptable" partition.

Regards, GR.

[zan]

I do not trust the GC political leadership because in 1959 ...

that "1959" can be changed to many many other chronologies and that "GC" can be changed to "TC" as well. If we will go back in the past looking for excuses then we will find tons.

The question is: Do you want to finally have peace or you want an excuse to continue the war because you believe it suits you better? The feeling I get from most of you is that it is the 2nd that you want.

However in general I will agree in something with you: If GCs are forced to agree for things that are undemocratic and/or against their human rights then you should be certain that such a forced agreement will not last for long. Cypriots are European people and they want their democracy and their human rights, and such things really can not be compromised.

So if one day the Americans go a step further from threatening GCs with things like "a million bricks will fall on you if you do not accept the Annan plan" and they say e.g. "If you do not accept our plan we will recognize the "trnc"", then I am clear from now that you should not trust GCs that they will keep for long something unfair, undemocratic and against their human rights that was forced on them with blackmail.

The solution framework is one, and it is not something I invented. It is demonstrated every day by the many successful democratic multi-ethnic countries around the world. The ingredients are democracy, human rights and equality of all citizens without discriminations. This is something that Cyprus was never allowed to have.
As long as instead of the obvious solution, in Cyprus some outsiders enforce things that are problematic, then we will have more and more problems and more and more mistrust, followed by a bloodshed every now and then and peace and true prosperity will never come.

So you are asking us to give our trust to the GC government and its people by giving us no choice but to accept your way. If that is the attitude to any decisions and agreements then I think I will stick to my vote of NO!

[humanist]

How is that vote going VP??????

[Viewpoint]

How is that vote going VP??????

A total of 5 TCs have voted and the result is;

YES 20% NO 80%

[miltiades]

Doesnt the "foreigner" mean 13 votes , and only 3 would not trust the G/Cs.

[DT.]

Doesnt the "foreigner" mean 13 votes , and only 3 would not trust the G/Cs.

how do you see the results?

[zan]

Is it just a GC thing that when we the TCs talk and express how we feel we are dismissed within a heart beat???

[Viewpoint]

Doesnt the "foreigner" mean 13 votes , and only 3 would not trust the G/Cs.

9 votes unaccounted for these can be GCs or even Brits.... the 20% 80% result as all TCs. So the trust element appears to non existent as TC didnt know what to vote and opted for a Yes vote.

What do you make of this result?

[andri_cy]

But the truth is you don't know who voted and who didn't. Therefore, it is not wise to assume that it was anyone other than TCs since you kindly asked the rest not to vote. It is a shame that you don't like the results of your own poll, but it seems to me you are trying to sandbag them now that they turned out differently than you had hoped for.