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Piratis

From the beginning of your post to the end it is clear that you and many more GCs use Turkey as an excuse to bash the TCs. That was the case in the 60s and seems to be the case again today. I have asked many times for you lot to talk to us as TCs and still you refuse to because it does not serve your propaganda purposes. We, the TCs are the occupiers of the land and Turkey is our guarantor power. \We as Turkish Cypriots were mistreated in order to get Turkey out of Cyprus and for the Hellenic state to take over the island and you guys seem to be happy to play the same hand again. What part of what you want are we supposed to trust? Even the mighty Birkibrisli or Kikapu would say that they do not trust in this case if they were honest.

Did you vote zan?

[zan]

Yes mate. A very clear NO!

Now I suppose comes the cries of "I would not hurt you Zan". I do not fear the man on the ground except for the feeding frenzy moments but those in power and those behind the scenes.





How many more times do we have to repeat that

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So the result so far is,

YES 34% NO 66%

[observer]

I do not trust the GC political leadership because in 1959 they agreed, following negotiations at Zurich, not to go after enosis. They immediately came back to Cyprus and started working for enosis. Jump forward 45 years and the GC government agreed, following negotiations, at Bürgenstock, Switzerland to promote the Annan Plan. They immediately came back to Cyprus and started working against it (I don’t comment on the agreements, just the GC leadership going back on their word the moment their plane landed in Cyprus).

In between, they have tried to economically strangle the TC people from the 1960s (from experience and the Akrıtas Plan) and subsequently, though perhaps more understandably, since 1974.

Surveys have shown the GC people to be among the most xenophobic people in Europe and they have consistently voted into high office the people most associated with enosis and/or the Akritas Plan.

So when GCs ask for a democracy with everyone having an equal vote, making always a GC government, I ask what will they do with it. It may not be bullets and bombs, but I do not think that it will be equal economic treatment. I wish it were different.

[humanist]

I went for a walk with my dog just earlier and I was thinking about the Cyprus issue and I caught myself thinking whether I should visit the north when i come to cyprus in january, or whether not to visit. I have not been back to cyprus since 2000 so it all feels a bit overwhelming. Anyway what I really want to say is that my reason for not wanting to visit is that like many other cypriots living in the south we have to show our passports to move within our country and other than the fact that sucks, I though to myself, you know andreas what is sadder and more criminal is that approximately 9,000 of my compatriots have to show their passports everyday, just to go to work. that my friends is sad, isn't that a practice that went out with the fall of the berlin wall? I urge all of us to let go of the arguments about who suffered more in the past and concentrate on getting our people back together, where we re-write the history of our country.

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Result update;

YES 25% NO 75%

[shahmaran]

shit i meant to click no!

the question confused me, i thought it was a double negative, sorry still hungover....

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Result Update;

YES 20% NO 80%

Total votes cast 5.

[pitsilos]

it would have been higher if all the vips could vote, instead of one

[Piratis]

I do not trust the GC political leadership because in 1959 ...

that "1959" can be changed to many many other chronologies and that "GC" can be changed to "TC" as well. If we will go back in the past looking for excuses then we will find tons.

The question is: Do you want to finally have peace or you want an excuse to continue the war because you believe it suits you better? The feeling I get from most of you is that it is the 2nd that you want.

However in general I will agree in something with you: If GCs are forced to agree for things that are undemocratic and/or against their human rights then you should be certain that such a forced agreement will not last for long. Cypriots are European people and they want their democracy and their human rights, and such things really can not be compromised.

So if one day the Americans go a step further from threatening GCs with things like "a million bricks will fall on you if you do not accept the Annan plan" and they say e.g. "If you do not accept our plan we will recognize the "trnc"", then I am clear from now that you should not trust GCs that they will keep for long something unfair, undemocratic and against their human rights that was forced on them with blackmail.

The solution framework is one, and it is not something I invented. It is demonstrated every day by the many successful democratic multi-ethnic countries around the world. The ingredients are democracy, human rights and equality of all citizens without discriminations. This is something that Cyprus was never allowed to have.
As long as instead of the obvious solution, in Cyprus some outsiders enforce things that are problematic, then we will have more and more problems and more and more mistrust, followed by a bloodshed every now and then and peace and true prosperity will never come.