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Postby T_C » Sat Mar 03, 2007 1:09 am

andri_cy wrote:Ok guys, I really have no clue about this bathroom massacre. That sounds very sad. Is there anywhere we can read more about it?


Mr. Hasan Yusuf Gudum, an eye witness, who himself was wounded during the same terrible event, relates the sad incident as follows :
"On the night of the 24th of December, 1963 my wife Feride Hasan and I were paying a visit to the family of Major Dr. Nihat ilhan. Our neighbours Mrs. Ayshe of Mora, her daughter lshin and Mrs. Ayshe's sister Novber were also with us. We were all having supper. All of a sudden bullets from the Pedieos River direction started to riddle the house, sounding like heavy rain. Thinking that the dining-room where we were sitting was dangerous, we ran to the bathroom and toilet which we thought would be safer. Altogether we were nine persons. We all hid in the bathroom except my wife who took refuge in the toilet. We waited in fear. Mrs. ilhan the wife of Major Doctor, was standing in the bath with her three children Murat, Kutsi and Hakan in her arms. Suddenly with a great noise we heard the front door open. Greeks had come in and were combing, every corner of the house with their machine gun bullets. During these moments I heard a voice saying, in Greek "You want Taksim eh!" and then bullets started flying in the bathroom. Mrs. ilhan and her three children fell into the bath. They were shot. At this moment the Greeks, who broke into the bathroom, emptied their guns on us again. I heard one of the Major's children moan, then I fainted.
I remained unconscious for 2 or 3 hours, and later, I saw Mrs. Ilhan and her three children lying dead in the bath. I and the rest of the neighbours in the bathroom were all seriously wounded. But what had happened to my wife? Then I remembered and immediately ran to the toilet, where, in the doorway, I saw her body. She was brutally murdered.
In the street amist the sound of shots I heard voices crying "Help, help. Is there no one to save us?" I became terrified. I thought that if the Greeks came again and found that I was not dead they would kill me. So I ran to the bedroom and hid myself under the double-bed.
An hour passed by. In the distance I could still hear shots. My mouth was dry, so I came out from under the bed and drank some water. Then I put some sweets in my pocket and went back to the bathroom, which was exactly as I had left it an hour ago. There I offered sweets to Mrs. Ayshe her daughter and Mrs. Novber who were all wounded.
We waited in the bathroom until 5 o'clock in the morning. I thought morning would never come. We were all wounded and needed to be taken to hospital. Finally, as we could walk, Mrs. Novber and 1, went out into the street hoping to find help and walked as far as Koshklu Chiftlik. There, we met some people who took us to hospital where we were operated on. When I regained consciousness I said that there were more wounded in the house and they went and brought Mrs. Ayshe and her daughter.
After staying three days in the hospital I was sent by plane to Ankara for further treatment. There I have had four months treatment but still I cannot use my arm. On my return to Cyprus, Greeks arrested me at the Airport.
All related to you above, I told the Greeks during my detention. They then released me. - - "
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Postby karma » Sat Mar 03, 2007 1:49 am

I m tired of listening this bathroom massacre, there r thousands of murdered people in the south too.. it is so sick to compare such things..
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Postby Kikapu » Sun Mar 04, 2007 7:41 pm

shahmaran wrote:
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shahmaran wrote:its not a very small bathroom...



You can go visit and see for youself probably take measurements if thats your thing, its the museum of barbarism.


yeah i have been there, its pretty sickening...

infact it was part of the brain-washing-day-trip i was taken to, during the army training, pretty useless strategy imo, i thought it was ridiculous but in a bitter way :roll:


Shah,

I meant to write few days ago on your post to tell you, that I'm very proud of you, for telling it the way it is. I can't believe that part of your military training was to capitalize on the tragic loss of these people, so that all the young men entering the military can be "brain washed" in hating the Greek Cypriots.

I always enjoy reading your post, when ever you think for yourself, and not joining the "gang mentality" with the other partitionist on this forum.

Keep it up.
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Postby zan » Mon Mar 05, 2007 4:26 pm

Kikapu wrote:
shahmaran wrote:
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shahmaran wrote:its not a very small bathroom...



You can go visit and see for youself probably take measurements if thats your thing, its the museum of barbarism.


yeah i have been there, its pretty sickening...

infact it was part of the brain-washing-day-trip i was taken to, during the army training, pretty useless strategy imo, i thought it was ridiculous but in a bitter way :roll:


Shah,

I meant to write few days ago on your post to tell you, that I'm very proud of you, for telling it the way it is. I can't believe that part of your military training was to capitalize on the tragic loss of these people, so that all the young men entering the military can be "brain washed" in hating the Greek Cypriots.

I always enjoy reading your post, when ever you think for yourself, and not joining the "gang mentality" with the other partitionist on this forum.

Keep it up.



Although I can see where you are coming from on your comment can we now say that all history and monuments are there to promote hate??????? You can turn your back on reality like Humanist if you like but I prefer to keep my feet on the ground. Perhaps we can look at it as a warning....Like all other mistakes that have been made in the past.
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Postby pitsilos » Mon Mar 05, 2007 4:33 pm

zan noone needs monuments of destruction for reminders.

maybe they should have left frankfurt in ruins like after the war for reminders. what do you think?

but as shahmaran said the army took him there for his brainashing tour of duty. you don't think there is a sinister motive behind it? and so you think it was a job of the army to remind him?
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Postby zan » Mon Mar 05, 2007 4:38 pm

pitsilos wrote:zan noone needs monuments of destruction for reminders.

maybe they should have left frankfurt in ruins like after the war for reminders. what do you think?

but as shahmaran said the army took him there for his brainashing tour of duty. you don't think there is a sinister motive behind it? and so you think it was a job of the army to remind him?


A little of all of the above is true. This argument can be applied to every single war memorial or publication there is on earth. I have horrific memories of that place, as I have stated before but the only people I hate are the ones that actually carried out the murders. Please ask Shah what he actually meant by what he wrote and what he thinks about the affects. Then we can assess what the point of this
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Postby pitsilos » Mon Mar 05, 2007 4:46 pm

a war memorial is a reminder of past fuck ups. what you are talking about is not anything of the kind. it was plain murder, and to be brainwashing recruits, you are making animals out of them. look at galipoli, yes as aussies, have a gathering but not for the same reanon as what the turkish army is doing with the house.

for an army to take recruits, and i would hate to hear wha the speech spill would have been.

its not the army's job to be doing that zan. society at some point must take over and let the soldiers play soldiers.

there is a sinister agenda by the army.

just remember hate breeds hate
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Postby Kikapu » Mon Mar 05, 2007 4:52 pm

Pitsilos,

I'm assuming it was done by the "TRNC" and not the Turkish Army, but perhaps Shah could shed some light on this, as to who was training him.
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Postby zan » Mon Mar 05, 2007 5:00 pm

pitsilos wrote:a war memorial is a reminder of past fuck ups. what you are talking about is not anything of the kind. it was plain murder, and to be brainwashing recruits, you are making animals out of them. look at galipoli, yes as aussies, have a gathering but not for the same reanon as what the turkish army is doing with the house.

for an army to take recruits, and i would hate to hear wha the speech spill would have been.

its not the army's job to be doing that zan. society at some point must take over and let the soldiers play soldiers.

there is a sinister agenda by the army.

just remember hate breeds hate



Are the Yanks wrong to put up a memorial for 9/11?
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Postby pitsilos » Mon Mar 05, 2007 5:08 pm

Kikapu wrote:Pitsilos,

I'm assuming it was done by the "TRNC" and not the Turkish Army, but perhaps Shah could shed some light on this, as to who was training him.


that could be the case kikapu, but the army is controlled by the general. He would have had to approve such a move seeing he is in charge of the armed forces and police.

and yes i agree to some degree shahmaran can share some light.
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