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[shahmaran]

i also find it ridiculous that your page, refers to EOKA as something on the line of "freedom fighters" where his page calls them Terrorists, and your page claims that there were no attacks on the TCs, infact its in your quote...

so everything was sweet and dandy, until one day, when the dorment evill within the hearts of the Turks decided to awaken and rise up against their neighbours...and so its all our fault

[pitsilos]

shahmaran, i posted an article and the contents were written by the british colonial powers that at the same time were fighting eoka.

even though the poms were fighting eoka, they still said the tmt attacked and had other plans.

you would think they would lied wouldn't you?

this from the cyprus archives

[shahmaran]

no pitsilos, you quoted a Greek site with a few British quotes, which brings us back to my first post on this thread...

no ofcourse not, the only liars are the Turks

[pitsilos]

why don't you argue with the british mate, they wrote it

ask vips to speak to the top man and sort it out

[Piratis]

It is a fact that this is how the intercommunal conflict started.

Cyprus was a UK colony, and colonies were going out of fashion. Most Cypriots wanted to be liberated from colonialism as well. According to the UN resolution about decolonization (http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonizat ... ration.htm ) "integration into an independent State" was a legitimate option for Cypriots to choose from in a democratic way.

However since the UK had strategic interests in Cyprus, they didn't want to loose Cyprus to Greece. So the British brought in Turkey (who also wanted Cyprus for her own strategic interests) and proposed to them to partition Cyprus.

Based on this agreed policy between UK and Turkey, the Turkish minority was used in a divide and rule way. They British hired TC policemen to fight against the liberation fighters, and Turkey started to propagandize the TCs with the partition "ideal". Their plan worked, and clashes started between Greek and Turkish Cypriots.

So in the end, instead of allowing Cypriots to choose how their own island would be decolonized, the British and the Turks blackmailed Greece and Cyprus with partition, and forced them to agree to the 1960 agreements which gave 1) 2 huge bases to the British and 2) veto rights along with unfairly disproportionate privileges to the the TCs (e.g. that the 18% of TCs should have the 30% of government jobs), things that Turkey would later use to create stalemates and tension in Cyprus again that then she could use as an excuse to take a part of Cyprus, as it was agreed with the UK a few years earlier.

The plan was that Turkey would invade in the mid 1960s, and this was one of the reasons that the intercommunal conflict restarted in 1963. However this did not happen because it was the wrong time for the USA (due to other political reasons during that time) who turned the red light to the Turks when they asked for permission to invade Cyprus.

Then the intercommunal conflict was over by 1968 (after both sides had an about equal amount of mostly innocent victims) and things were getting back to normal. Turkey was planning to use the intercommunal conflict as an excuse for their invasion, but the USA forced them to change plans.
So the next excuse came in 1974 when the junta of Athens, which came to power with USA/CIA help to prevent Greece from joining the communist block, was ordered by the Americans (Kissinger) to create a coup in Cyprus as well in order to overthrow the "red monk of the Mediterranean Cuba" (Makarios).

The Athens Junta sponsored coupists tried to kill Makarios (who managed to escape abroad) and then they started killing the Greek Cypriot resistance fighters. The coup had NOTHING to do with the inter communal conflict that ended 6 years earlier, and the coupists did not touch even a single Turkish Cypriot.

Turkey saw the coup as the a great excuse to invade and finally take part of Cyprus, as she was planning for years already. They used the Treaty of Guarantee as an excuse to invade. The Treaty of Guarantee required from the "guarantors" to act together to protect the independence and sovereignty of Republic of Cyprus. However Turkey not only didn't act in a way that would restore the constitution and sovereignty in Cyprus, but on the contrary they started to butcher GCs by the 1000s and forced 200.000 to abandon their homes performing an ethnic cleansing over the norther part of Republic of Cyprus. After the Turkish invasion had started and news not only about the 1000s of dead but also about rapes of under age girls started coming out, some Greek Cypriots instead of going to fight the Turkish army they retaliated by killing some 100s of Turkish Cypriots. The invasion had as a result 6000 GCs dead and a few 100s of TC dead as well.

Since then, with the silent support of USA and UK (Turkey's baddies) the occupation continues and 100s of thousands of people suffer because of it.

[shahmaran]

Then the intercommunal conflict was over by 1968 and things were getting back to normal.

Piratis i love how you depict and characaturise the story in order to give it a more GC friendly feel to it...


Could you elaborate on the above quote a little bit more please...

Because i dont know 1 single TC, not 1, that would call life before 74 anywhere remotely close to "normal"...

[Piratis]

Here is a documentary by BBC about the events until 1960.
http://media3.filewind.com/g.php?filepath=1624

[Piratis]

Then the intercommunal conflict was over by 1968 and things were getting back to normal.

Piratis i love how you depict and characaturise the story in order to give it a more GC friendly feel to it...


Could you elaborate on the above quote a little bit more please...

Because i dont know 1 single TC, not 1, that would call life before 74 anywhere remotely close to "normal"...

Guess why is that? Because all your excuses for the occupation are based on the "evil GC" theory. Do your research and you will see that the bloodshed was over by 1968, only to restart in 1974 with the Turkish invasion.
Sure, things were not perfect, I said "it was getting back to normal" not that it was normal. But there was no bloodshed and "hot" conflicts from 1968 until 1974.

[shahmaran]

"not perfect" did you say?!

i asked you to elaborate, i didn't ask you to repeat your comments on what "normal" is, so if you don't mind? i would like to hear your side of the story on how life was before Turkey ever so barbarically ruined it for all of us...

[Piratis]

And since we said about "how it started", maybe we should also say of what is the only way to end.

The way is for both sides to accept the compromise of an independent state. The GCs have for long time abandoned the "enosis" cause, and TCs should finally abandon the partition cause as well.

Then we should model our constitution, not in a divisive and racist way given by outsiders, but in a way that will treat all Cypriots as equal citizens without racist discriminations and create among us common instead of conflicting interests.
Thats the only solution to create in Cyprus a normal country like all the other normal democratic countries in the world. Anything else that is not based on the principles of human rights and democracy, but is solely based on the balance of power, is a sure way to lead as to more and more bloodshed in the future since the balance of power never stays constant even if some people arrogantly believe so.