MicAtCyp wrote:What I actually do is reply to posts that worth a reply. It just happened that many of yours are. What reason would I have to chase you?
Thanks. Sincerely I took this as a compliment.
My reaction was directed to your statement that the EU would not be impartial. And I specifically stated that the ones who proved to be totally partial, were the Americans. So the question is not whether the Americans will interfere or not, but your original non-preference of the EU involvement.
When we talk about impartiality we are essentially talking impartiality for GCs and TCs. I have no reason to believe that Americans will be more biased toward TCs than GCs. After all whatever TCs can provide them GCs can provide them as well. If you are saying that Americans are more biased toward TCs because America needs Turkey in middleeast. That has gone to. With the future establishment of Kurdish state in middle east, American do not further need Turkey, I believe.
On the other hand, there are ample of reasons why I would suspect that EU would be more biased toward GCs. For starters, RoC is a member of EU, and it affects every decision made in EU. And she has veto power on many things in EU. SO by using the threat of veto power, she can get a biased solution proposal. The simplest examples of this are seen last year about the financial aid, and trade with north Cyprus, and Turkeys membership talks in December. And now you are trying to make me believe that EU would be more partial then Americans.
Plus I am not saying that Americans give us a solution. I have said UN. Although I do not believe and have never believed the mission of UN as a distributer of fair justice and democracy in the world, UN comes closest to the mid point between our views. According to your opinion, it has USA and UK on the board for us, and according to my opinion it has Russia, China, France, Germany on the board for you guys.
So yes in short I believe UN (not USA) would be more impartial than EU. Plus every experience of TCs related with UN, in the last 40 years since March 4, 1964, to last year was a nagetive one. This, in retrospect, also makes it funny that GCs find UN more biased toward TC views.
A)Can you name me even one derrogation of the Anan Plan from the EU aquis that was not against the very basic human rights of the GCs? Can you name me just one that was against the basic human rights of the TCs?
I can’t. May be you can so that we can discuss if that specific derogation was against basic human rights?
And please don't tell me the matter of depriving the 2/3 rds of the properties of both the TCs and the GCs, was a derrogation affecting both the same, because it was NOT so. Each and every TC would have the chance to exchange his properties to their full with equal GC property, whereas the only ones who will be staying with stupid bonds in hand would be the majority of the GC refugees and NOT even one TC!
And explain to me how this is against human rights again. In a nutshell, human rights says that a person can use its property to its fullest extent. Once you get paid for your property its not yours anymore.( this means with bonds or with other means of payment you are forcefully selling your property to TCs. Forcefully selling not fair may be, but at the same time depriving TCs from their constitutional rights for the last 40 years should have a price to pay in my opinion, and do not tell me that you did not deprive us from our constitutional rights specified in 1960 constitution, because I am fed up with the propaganda and shortsightedness of GCs)
You yourself said
In order to find a lasting solution to Cyprus, there has to be exist many derogations to EU law...
In case you do not refer to the derrogations of the Anan Plan, then you have to be specific and explain us what the derrogations you see necessary are. And then prove me they do not harm the basic human rights of just ONLY the GCs.
First of all none of the derogations of Annan plan was permanent. Secondly yes in order to have a fair, and equal (fair and equal is as we define them. If both of the parties (GCs and TCs) don’t find the solution fair and equal, then the solution will not last anyway. That is why you guys have rejected Annan Plan, because you did not find it fair. But that is why we will not accept any plan without permanent derogations (or at least long term derogations) as an unfair. So may be we should be talking about if we can reconcile our differences on what is fair and what is not, and if we can’t then we should go our own ways.)
Permanent derogations should exist in terms of either settlement or exercise of political rights. One is definetly necessary in our opinion so that we can protect equality at the federal state level.
Actually, unlike what you might think I am not a very big fan of permanent derogations. (if you have read the Annan vs. 1960 topic you would realize this). Because there is a substantial chance that permanent derogations may be found invalid under EU law, because they are against basic principle of EU. That is why Turks were not very much concerned when EU talked about permanent derogations for mobility and settlement of Turkish citizens if Turkey ever becomes a part of EU. They know that the idea of permanent derogations may be turned from EU courts. That is why instead of permanent derogations on settlement, I propose other legal ways around, so that the equality in the federal level will be preserved in the long run. Any plan that jeopardizes this permanent equality on the federal level, is not fair in the minds of TCs, whether you like it or not.
That's not what I meant by saying "let me see the masks dropping", but I will leave that for another time. Masks don't hide the obvious.Hide something else, that in turn explains a lot of things.
I guess I can wait for another day.
About the "thanks" part. I just indicated the variance of your degree of personal satisfaction to a subject in connection with your greetings. It is obvious it varies from a "great day" greeting to just a "thanks for listening me". You heard something you did not like, you immediately forgot your "great day" poem.....
Actually my greetings and my ending sentences to the posts are mostly random in nature, and mostly are affected to the mood I am in during the day.
And believe me or not, the topics in this forum do not sway my mood that much during the day, because I know at the ned whatever we discuss here will have no effect in the final solution, if there is any.
Oh thank you very much, that was very appropriate for me (in relation to my satisfaction to the news of this thread). May I wish you the same though?
Same to you.
