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[G.Man]

There are some slow motion video clips that clearly show mini explosions going off on every few floors as the building goes down, along with countless eye witnesses who insist that they have heard explosions before the building collapsed, plus there were explosions in the ground floor (!!) where people were running out screaming in fire (i think it was also documented in the video camera of a trainee fireman), and they were initially claimed to be fireballs carried down through the elevator space due to the jet fuel explosion, but no one believes that it was strong enough to explode 100 levels below...

SO what do you think would happen to mutiple sheets of thick glass as they are compressed?

You think they might explode outwards?

You think little pockets of fuel and air could ignite causing mini explosions?

So many things could cause these explosions and sounds, and historically, eye witnesses can be decieved by their own senses as to what is happening..

[GorillaGal]

RUBBISH! you watch too much on line CRAP, T_C....first off, in the morning of 9-11, most communications in lower manhattan were cut off. secondly, this broadcast does not prove a timeline. just the editors notes flashed on a screen about the timing. this footage could have been from sept. 15th for all it proves.

too much conspiracy theories. too much CRAP.

Well if you are such an expert on timings, surely you noticed the news broadcaster say, while he was talking to the female reporter, standing in front of the already collapsed WTC7, your alledged faked video, its 8 hours since the atacks...

I guess they edited the sound and his lips moving as well yeah?

you are quiet niave, aren't you? backgrounds can be faked quiet easily. i have a photo of me with george bush sr., you would never know i never met the man, but here we are in the same photo, talking with each other.

[zan]

There are some slow motion video clips that clearly show mini explosions going off on every few floors as the building goes down, along with countless eye witnesses who insist that they have heard explosions before the building collapsed, plus there were explosions in the ground floor (!!) where people were running out screaming in fire (i think it was also documented in the video camera of a trainee fireman), and they were initially claimed to be fireballs carried down through the elevator space due to the jet fuel explosion, but no one believes that it was strong enough to explode 100 levels below...

SO what do you think would happen to mutiple sheets of thick glass as they are compressed?

You think they might explode outwards?

You think little pockets of fuel and air could ignite causing mini explosions?

So many things could cause these explosions and sounds, and historically, eye witnesses can be decieved by their own senses as to what is happening..

It is good to know a few things about these tall buildings. I saw a program once about the design and the solving of problems as they happen on very tall buildings. On this program I found out that the revolving door was invented purely as a result of the up draught caused. What they found out was that normally opening doors, if opening inwards would never stay closed and if opening outwards could not be opened because of the suction created. So they invented the revolving door because no other method would work. Now, add a raging fire to that and the upward draft is much greater and works something like those empty tins that we Cypriots use to light our barbecues faster. When you suddenly reverse that as in a collapsing building, especially one that is practically falling vertically in on its self, then I would imagine any weak spots, such as windows will blow out at some tremendous force.

Now, as to the sound of bombs going off. I don’t know if any of you have read about the actual way the building was constructed but apparently the floors where hung on the walls like coat hangers and it was only the weight of each floor that kept them where they were. What happened was that as the steel to the sides of the building folded the top floors started to just fall onto the floor below in one lump and that caused the next to do the same. As they fell one on top of the other they seemed to get faster and faster as they got heavier and heavier. The result we all saw. One fireman’s account as to the sound of bombs going off was exactly as described above and he could hear the floors collapsing and getting nearer and nearer to the floor he was on.


It seems that because people are not familiar with things they suspect that there must be monsters somewhere. I really cannot remember where I read it but someone years ago predicted that the terrorist would somehow find a way to use fully fuelled planes to do exactly what happened in 9/11. Although I don't believe for one moment that things are pre determined I can remember a recurring dream that ended with such an event but in London. I went stone cold when I first saw, live, that second plane come slamming into that building. Spooky.

[T_C]

There are some slow motion video clips that clearly show mini explosions going off on every few floors as the building goes down, along with countless eye witnesses who insist that they have heard explosions before the building collapsed, plus there were explosions in the ground floor (!!) where people were running out screaming in fire (i think it was also documented in the video camera of a trainee fireman), and they were initially claimed to be fireballs carried down through the elevator space due to the jet fuel explosion, but no one believes that it was strong enough to explode 100 levels below...

That to one side those elevators were air tight...fire could not of lasted long enough to reach the bottom let alone cause explosions strong enough to knock huge marble tiles off the walls.

[shahmaran]

Plus the building is designed to take hits, in fact multiple plane hits, and apparently its structure is meant to be able to hold like a "spiderweb" that is being hit, and the metal used in the skeleton is meant to resist heats 3-4 times the temperature that is generated by jet fuel up to 6 HOURS!!! and considering there is not much else to burn in office buildings it is impossible for the building to melt in just 30 minutes...

but leave all that to a side, how do you explain the collapse of the 3rd building which was not even hit?

they found NOTHING in the rubble but the passport of the hijackers?!?! i mean come on man!!!

we have all seen controlled demolitions before, they require demolition experts who engineer the event in the neatest and most efficient way possible, how can one repeat the same event with a random plane crash? including on a building that was not even hit!!! i dont know if my mind is overactive but i cant help but be boggled by the whole thing...

[zan]

Controlled demolition is done from the bottom and not from the top as in the case of those buildings collapsing. I simply believe that those figures for how long the ironwork would last in a fire were wrong. I have a fireman friend and the results of a fire is nothing like we all imagine? He has told me that he was sent into a building that was supposed to be safe because the concrete surrounding the ironwork was still intact and they underestimated how hot the fire had got. He said they were lucky to get out alive because not only were the floors beginning to buckle under their feet but also the stones in the concrete were being fired out at the speed of a bullet. I had no idea that when concrete reaches a certain temperature it explodes like a bomb. I found this out for myself the hard way as well. I was soldering a piece of pipe work on the ground at the back of my house, which is made up of concrete and shingle. Because the flame was hitting the ground as well suddenly the concrete exploded and a piece of shingle hit me on my cheek. It took a couple of weeks for that to heal up and was quite sore.


Also don't forget that the builders and the inspectors for the state have got a lot to lose if incompetence in the way the building was built is found. Funny but they said that that method of building would not be used again.

[miltiades]

I was talking to an Iraqi businessman tonight, apparently the US wants to split Iraq into 3 countries... Kurdistan, Iraq, and the south...

The south is where the oil is, the north, kurdistan controls all of iraqs water, and Iraq itself, baghdad etc has feck all...

The current agreed repayment to the US is 75% of all oil revenues from the newly "liberated" southern iraq...

Now, is that a big enouh motive to blow up a couple of buildings and crash a few planes

What a load of absolute crap. You are supposition its so stupid mate I wonder how old you are !

Militades, sometimes you can be an absolute wanker... You are a typical old man with a closed mind..

Yeah I guess you sitting there in front of your web browser and BBC news reports know more than senior iraqi's on the ground here do you?

This guy has lost his family business, and is getting his information straight from people who are dealing with the americans...

It may not be a final plan, but it is one thats being discussed, and it is well known that Bush is considering it as an option...

Get your head out of your ass, reel your neck in, and go do some research...

BTW, I am 42, and work here in the ME...



PS. I would just like to point out I don't think Bush did DIRECTLY (more through his ME policy) cause 9/11 but there are some questions that do need answering...

Well Im 60 and run my own business working 6 days a week , make my own decisions based on realities so cut the crap about old man.
There are thousands upon thousands of individuals such as your self who thrive on conspiracy theories of some sort provided the conspirator is the awful American.I treat such theories as 9/11 as absolute shit because this is exactly what they are . Will not even venture into defending realities since the common sense that most people use to derive at their own conclusion will be totaly waisted on you.

[G.Man]

I was talking to an Iraqi businessman tonight, apparently the US wants to split Iraq into 3 countries... Kurdistan, Iraq, and the south...

The south is where the oil is, the north, kurdistan controls all of iraqs water, and Iraq itself, baghdad etc has feck all...

The current agreed repayment to the US is 75% of all oil revenues from the newly "liberated" southern iraq...

Now, is that a big enouh motive to blow up a couple of buildings and crash a few planes

What a load of absolute crap. You are supposition its so stupid mate I wonder how old you are !

Militades, sometimes you can be an absolute wanker... You are a typical old man with a closed mind..

Yeah I guess you sitting there in front of your web browser and BBC news reports know more than senior iraqi's on the ground here do you?

This guy has lost his family business, and is getting his information straight from people who are dealing with the americans...

It may not be a final plan, but it is one thats being discussed, and it is well known that Bush is considering it as an option...

Get your head out of your ass, reel your neck in, and go do some research...

BTW, I am 42, and work here in the ME...



PS. I would just like to point out I don't think Bush did DIRECTLY (more through his ME policy) cause 9/11 but there are some questions that do need answering...

Well Im 60 and run my own business working 6 days a week , make my own decisions based on realities so cut the crap about old man.
There are thousands upon thousands of individuals such as your self who thrive on conspiracy theories of some sort provided the conspirator is the awful American.I treat such theories as 9/11 as absolute shit because this is exactly what they are . Will not even venture into defending realities since the common sense that most people use to derive at their own conclusion will be totaly waisted on you.

God, could you be any more patronising? Why dont you try reading what I have written, rather than whats written on the inside of your own ass?

Funny tho, the other highly educated people I speak to, a lot of them Americans working here in the ME, actually think the same regarding Bush's motives for Iraq and soon Iran... One of them used to be very senior in the pentagon and is now a defence contractor... Self employed and very wealthy, He will probably be retired by 60, as will I..

No conspiracy theory, just sound judgement based on facts not delivered by UK/US media... But by people in the countries effected...

I have made my views on 9/11 clear, you just cant read...

Zan, Exactly, no bombs, just unexplained noises..

GG, We can all use photoshop on a picture, but have you any idea how difficult it is to do that on recorded video footage without leaving artifacts unless you use very very high end equipment...

I am guessing not, so when you give an opinion about naivity, understand the process involved!

[G.Man]

Would just like to add, that when you stop looking for the bullshit, you will actually work out what has probably happened here...

An edit of 2 news reports, spliced together, (to throw off the timings) and the so called "manhattan skyline" in the background, is merely ealier footage that was superimposed onto a studio background.. Easily done when most people didnt have a clue what WTC7 was until long after it collapsed.. so just a good old fashioned cock up!

The end result being a pretty good hoax...

[miltiades]

Would just like to add, that when you stop looking for the bullshit, you will actually work out what has probably happened here...

An edit of 2 news reports, spliced together, (to throw off the timings) and the so called "manhattan skyline" in the background, is merely ealier footage that was superimposed onto a studio background.. Easily done when most people didnt have a clue what WTC7 was until long after it collapsed.. so just a good old fashioned cock up!

The end result being a pretty good hoax...

Let me just sum it up for you mate , Bullshit ! Get a life get real .