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THIS THE FIRST TIME THAT I FEEL SHAME THAT I AM CYPRIOT!!!!

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby Viewpoint » Tue Feb 27, 2007 2:11 pm

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zan wrote: I do not belong in that club or on that side of the hall, in that Disco.


But isn't it interesting Zan, that when you take politics out of Cyprus, we Cypriots seem to Dance to the same Music. :lol:

There are politics in every country, that not all citizens see eye to eye. The USA is split down the middle, but we can say, we are all Americans, and the country moves on.

In Switzerland the Swiss Germans, French and the Italians do not always see things eye to eye, but at the end of the day, they are all Swiss, and the country moves along.

We can have politics, without having to hate or physically fight each other.

If we can all dance to the same music at the Disco, we should all be able to respect each others political views, without throwing punches. That's the wonderful thing about a "True Democracy", that in time, "we the people" can get rid of "evil" leaders and elect others to take their places.


Its only when those opposing politcal views are forced upon a particular ethnic origin against their will is when the respect and tollerence is lost and fighting beings. The TCs do not have problem with accepting a system which protects their right of have a say and influence thier own future without haveing the majority force their will upon them. Find that formula and you will get the TCs on your side.
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Postby Kikapu » Tue Feb 27, 2007 2:22 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
Its only when those opposing politcal views are forced upon a particular ethnic origin against their will is when the respect and tollerence is lost and fighting beings. The TCs do not have problem with accepting a system which protects their right of have a say and influence thier own future without haveing the majority force their will upon them. Find that formula and you will get the TCs on your side.


I agree with you VP. All citizens should be protected, specially a minority. It is in fact, the responsibility of the majority, to ensure that the rights of a minority or an individual, that all their rights are protected.

My formula for you VP, is to get a new Constitution written by the Cypriots themselves, without any Guarantors, other that the EU, with Turkey as a member, then go for the 2 states 1 country solution.
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Postby Viewpoint » Tue Feb 27, 2007 2:35 pm

Kikapu wrote:
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Its only when those opposing politcal views are forced upon a particular ethnic origin against their will is when the respect and tollerence is lost and fighting beings. The TCs do not have problem with accepting a system which protects their right of have a say and influence thier own future without haveing the majority force their will upon them. Find that formula and you will get the TCs on your side.


I agree with you VP. All citizens should be protected, specially a minority. It is in fact, the responsibility of the majority, to ensure that the rights of a minority or an individual, that all their rights are protected.

My formula for you VP, is to get a new Constitution written by the Cypriots themselves, without any Guarantors, other that the EU, with Turkey as a member, then go for the 2 states 1 country solution.


Easy to say difficult to accomplish...ask the GCs if they accept a new constitution and a resolving of the "RoC"?
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Postby Kikapu » Tue Feb 27, 2007 2:44 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Its only when those opposing politcal views are forced upon a particular ethnic origin against their will is when the respect and tollerence is lost and fighting beings. The TCs do not have problem with accepting a system which protects their right of have a say and influence thier own future without haveing the majority force their will upon them. Find that formula and you will get the TCs on your side.


I agree with you VP. All citizens should be protected, specially a minority. It is in fact, the responsibility of the majority, to ensure that the rights of a minority or an individual, that all their rights are protected.

My formula for you VP, is to get a new Constitution written by the Cypriots themselves, without any Guarantors, other that the EU, with Turkey as a member, then go for the 2 states 1 country solution.


Easy to say difficult to accomplish...ask the GCs if they accept a new constitution and a resolving of the "RoC"?


Do I have to do everything around here. :?: :?:

Who do you think I am, Jesus, Moses, Mohammed, or God. :lol: :lol:
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Postby Viewpoint » Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:00 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Its only when those opposing politcal views are forced upon a particular ethnic origin against their will is when the respect and tollerence is lost and fighting beings. The TCs do not have problem with accepting a system which protects their right of have a say and influence thier own future without haveing the majority force their will upon them. Find that formula and you will get the TCs on your side.


I agree with you VP. All citizens should be protected, specially a minority. It is in fact, the responsibility of the majority, to ensure that the rights of a minority or an individual, that all their rights are protected.

My formula for you VP, is to get a new Constitution written by the Cypriots themselves, without any Guarantors, other that the EU, with Turkey as a member, then go for the 2 states 1 country solution.


Easy to say difficult to accomplish...ask the GCs if they accept a new constitution and a resolving of the "RoC"?


Do I have to do everything around here. :?: :?:

Who do you think I am, Jesus, Moses, Mohammed, or God. :lol: :lol:


There is no miracle out there.... :wink:
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Postby askimwos » Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:11 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Its only when those opposing politcal views are forced upon a particular ethnic origin against their will is when the respect and tollerence is lost and fighting beings. The TCs do not have problem with accepting a system which protects their right of have a say and influence thier own future without haveing the majority force their will upon them. Find that formula and you will get the TCs on your side.


I agree with you VP. All citizens should be protected, specially a minority. It is in fact, the responsibility of the majority, to ensure that the rights of a minority or an individual, that all their rights are protected.

My formula for you VP, is to get a new Constitution written by the Cypriots themselves, without any Guarantors, other that the EU, with Turkey as a member, then go for the 2 states 1 country solution.


Easy to say difficult to accomplish...ask the GCs if they accept a new constitution and a resolving of the "RoC"?



That's totaly absurd to say the least!! Everybody knows and accept that in case of a solution there will be a new constitution. Be sure that the GCs would have voted Yes to the plan if the guarantor powers shit was out of the equation and had no say on how the constitution was drafted!
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Postby Viewpoint » Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:44 pm

askimwos wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Its only when those opposing politcal views are forced upon a particular ethnic origin against their will is when the respect and tollerence is lost and fighting beings. The TCs do not have problem with accepting a system which protects their right of have a say and influence thier own future without haveing the majority force their will upon them. Find that formula and you will get the TCs on your side.


I agree with you VP. All citizens should be protected, specially a minority. It is in fact, the responsibility of the majority, to ensure that the rights of a minority or an individual, that all their rights are protected.

My formula for you VP, is to get a new Constitution written by the Cypriots themselves, without any Guarantors, other that the EU, with Turkey as a member, then go for the 2 states 1 country solution.


Easy to say difficult to accomplish...ask the GCs if they accept a new constitution and a resolving of the "RoC"?



That's totaly absurd to say the least!! Everybody knows and accept that in case of a solution there will be a new constitution. Be sure that the GCs would have voted Yes to the plan if the guarantor powers shit was out of the equation and had no say on how the constitution was drafted!



No one has bothered to tell you that the idea is a virgin birth of a new "United Republic of Cyprus" state. The "RoC" will be dissolved just like the TRNC.
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Postby shahmaran » Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:49 pm

Lena sorry to hear your story, but you cant project the actions of a few idiots to an entire nation, there will always be people like them, and if your friend does not hang around with any Turks, i don't think you can blame the Turks, she is either unlucky or clearly says things to tick people off...

I have never called you a Turk hater but you do tend to say things that shows your dislike towards Turks when you have no real reason to do so, you are 22 FFS! But its fine, its your up bringing and social conditioning, HOWEVER, i never refused to teach you Turkish nor your friendship, in fact i have helped you every time you asked me and i still would, so i think you are being very unappreciative...

on another note, i DO NOT represent anyone, i just give you my views and it takes 2 people 2 argue so you cant blame it all on me and definitely not on all TCs, and to be honest i feel offended when you talk about Turks in such ways, even if i am TC, when you say you want them out of your country, but you are surprised that they help you out and are nice people, well guess what? they are humans too! and a lot of them have been living in Cyprus for decades and raised kids there who are just as Cypriot as you and me, and i happen to know a LOT of them and they openly say that they are Cypriot with Turkish parents, and have no reason to go back to Turkey, so i think you should give it a rest with you sweeping statements....
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Postby free_cyprus » Tue Feb 27, 2007 4:04 pm

i always feel ashamed to be a cypriot the way cypriots behave towards each other.we should have the right to marry christions and muslims we are from cyprus i dont see a problem with that.i also feel ashamed to be a cypriot when people say im greek or turkish and yet they are cypriots but there you
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Postby Natty » Tue Feb 27, 2007 8:13 pm

I think the easier way to stop this bitterness is to find a fair solution as soon as possible, get people living together again....We did it once, we can do it again....
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