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How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby LENA » Sun Feb 25, 2007 7:25 am

humanist wrote:Lena I respect your coments though I disagree because I see that there is nothing wrong with teaching children to loe all human beings regardless of their race, language ethnicity, love is a wonderful when practised with highest of regard.


Oh and another thing I dont disagree with you for teaching respect and love for all human beings regardless all that. I am in favour and as a teacher I do used to do that...we used to have earth day and human race day. If we teach about language we dont mention only our language but languages from all over the world, if we teach about houses we dont mention only our houses we mention about igloo, Chinese house etc...and children always draw an earth with children or people holding hands with black, yellow, white children, boys and girls...(I am sorry humanist we dont mention the gay)...we teach them that we have to respect everyone, that we are all different but still we are the same, we are humans!!

But I guess is not what you had in mind with this threat right?
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Postby paaul12 » Sun Feb 25, 2007 11:37 am

did they not try something like this before, only to end in tears?

But in the most sublimely ironic bit of the letter, zany Mike laments the fact that the curators are undermining efforts to bring the two communities together. “At the same time without any apparent reason and for motives only known to you, you have attempted to create a political situation out of a purely legal issue namely the establishment and operation of part of the school in the north thus creating fictitious division lines between the two communities. You seem to constantly ignore that the goal of Manifesta 6 is to unite and bring together the two communities in a spirit of culture and understanding away from politics.”


http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.ph ... &archive=1
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Postby miltiades » Sun Feb 25, 2007 12:06 pm

Paaul 12 , are you aware that the fundamental reasons why the two Cypriot communities , who lived peacefully with each other for hundreds of years , resorted to conflict and caused each other so much pain and suffering , was the promotion of "motherland " nonsense , Greece with their flags and Turkey with the one that you are displaying. These symbols brought nothing but pain and suffering to all our people.Do us all a favour mate .
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Postby Kikapu » Sun Feb 25, 2007 2:07 pm

I believe Miltiades stated about 6 months ago, that he was working on creating / writing a new "National Anthem", and I would hardly call him a "child".

On the other hand................. :lol:
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Postby humanist » Mon Feb 26, 2007 3:06 am

No Lena I do not claim to be original on this one, all I know is the we are human beings and we can live together, I believe that both sides have lost sight of the issues. I really do not think there is a Cyprus problem, there was a turky problem and a greek problem and the people of cyprus have been the victims of it.

I think we have to change our way of thinking and of perceiving each other the more we say we want to unify the more the pressure will be on the government to do something Lena, it is easy to sit back and not say anything, but that only breeds ignorance and ignorance is not love,
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Postby humanist » Mon Feb 26, 2007 3:13 am

I think we have lost sight of the reall issues here, I think Miltiades has captured it well in his post above, but if twenty or so people on this forum cannot agree, what chance do we have? We know that the last 32 years have not benefirted the people of cyprus in any way. there are people who are globally, socially and economically isolated and there are those who do not have their human right to visit, access and manipulate their property and part of their country in a way they may wish. That is clear and undeniable. We can choose to move on and create something new for all of us or we could lament on the past and stay with what we have.
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Postby LENA » Mon Feb 26, 2007 7:08 pm

humanist wrote:No Lena I do not claim to be original on this one, all I know is the we are human beings and we can live together, I believe that both sides have lost sight of the issues. I really do not think there is a Cyprus problem, there was a turky problem and a greek problem and the people of cyprus have been the victims of it.

I think we have to change our way of thinking and of perceiving each other the more we say we want to unify the more the pressure will be on the government to do something Lena, it is easy to sit back and not say anything, but that only breeds ignorance and ignorance is not love,


I agree with you so mush humanist...must lately this forum cause me grief...to see my compatriots so away from me an unwilling to unified. Humanist...tell me what to do..just tell me? How "I" will pressure the government? HOW?
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Postby humanist » Tue Feb 27, 2007 2:06 am

well Lena mou, I think we need to write individual letters and petitions to our respective governments and show how we feel about the issue with perhaps cc to the leader of the so called other side.

like you I am disillusioned by the forum I really want to join a forum where it can be a little more productive than this one, but cannot find one. I would even like to come to cyprus and do soe volunteer work in bringing people together but I have not been able to locate such an organisation.

then there is the fact that many of our turkish speaking compatriots Do Not support Unification, to this end it complicates things just a tatt :) However, their fears are valid and to this end it is up to the politicians to come up with ways to ensure that there are structures in place to allow for peopl's safety. my suggestion to the UN was that turkish troops to pull out of cyprus al together to allow greek speaking cyps to feel safe and to also feel that they are working with the turkish speaking cypriots rather than turkey and the turkish army to be replaced by UN forces to ensure that order and current state of ceasefire remain as they are for the tme being until a solution is found. I have repeatedly suggested on this forum that the RoC create a register of those Greek speaking Cypriots who will Not return to their properties for whatever reason (many live overseas and will not up root to return, many have bigger better homes in the south and are not willing to give it all up, these people can then be compensated though not my preferred option but if it helps the cyprus cause well may be we need to let go of some things), so that the turksih speaking side have an idea of the numbers of greek speaking cyp's who will return, i suspect the number will be much less than anticipated. Then we have to think about settlers, they too are human being as my friend Zan has kindly pointed out to me once. To this end I believe that an independent committee is made up to consider each family and individual on individual basis, Turkey to take some financial responsibility for those who return but I would recomend that most settlers or at least less than the number of Turksih speaking cyp's born prior to 1974. That is a number that our turkish speaking Cyp's can decide. Anyway regardless of the number then as greek speaking cyp's return to their properties and leave their current refugee accommodation that can be given to settlers both as temporary or permanent accommodation, rent to buy scheme or cheaper affordable accommodation, i recommend the RoC provide financial assistance fro turkish and greek speaking cyp's from north/ south respectively to fix their home with view to return to the paphos villages they came from initially, the RoC need encourage turksih cypriots with appropriate qualifications to take up the posts in the governement that have not been filled since the 1960's starting with an offer to Mr Talat (whom I personally have little respect for after his threats of war) to take up the post of vice president. if he refuses then the invite need be extended to others who may be willing to take on the challenge.
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Postby LENA » Tue Feb 27, 2007 8:44 am

Humanist you are so right to all this. And I am glad that we share those believes…but what I am afraid is that the letters and the petitions don’t work much…as for the rest unfortunately is not going to happened from us as individuals that’s is power hold from governments and politics…and at the end we receive the blame for their actions.
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Postby Viewpoint » Tue Feb 27, 2007 9:05 am

LENA wrote:Humanist you are so right to all this. And I am glad that we share those believes…but what I am afraid is that the letters and the petitions don’t work much…as for the rest unfortunately is not going to happened from us as individuals that’s is power hold from governments and politics…and at the end we receive the blame for their actions.


Don't you 2 think you have to persuade and get TCs on board? your biggest problem will be understanding that the TRNC is economically dependent on Turkey so how can TCs push away the hand that feeds them? Allow the north to develop economically then TCs will have a choice available to move away from Turkey and closer to the south. The north is not asking for recognition but only way to strengthen its economic infrastructure and one of the locomotive sectors is tourism and for this we need direct flights which your leadership and it appears all Gcs are against. This is an important issue that GCs have to understand and deal with as the EU will not maintain these unfair embargoes and will force GCs to compromise in the EU spirit, but the after effects of a reluctant South will only have the same negative effect. Why not work with the north, showing you are on their side and not against them, allowing flights without recognition, this will have a far more positive impact on relations than the current GC stance which as you can clearly see has born fruit over the past 44 years.
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