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[Pyrpolizer]

And btw VP did it just by accident pass through your mind that when I said I can prove whether you are working for the "government" or NOT, that I was actually trying to defend you?

I thank you and will take your word for it that you to did not just jump on the band wagon and accuse me of being a Public Servant which I am not promoting the TRNC official line, people are so quick to label people so they can warrant rejecting and not dealing with their arguements.

True but I have accused you of allowing another person to use your nickname. This caused a great confussion to everyone participating here.People started calling you VIPs...
The truth must be said. I asked 3 times to give me the working hours of public servants and you NEVER did.
Why?
I said I need this to prove to everyone if you are a public servant or not. Preliminarily I tell you I believe you are NOT. What are you afraid of? I have my data, everybody can check them, there is nothing to hide.

[Pyrpolizer]

just like 63 hey vips?

but the 22hr marathon is still hanging like a noose around your head

Pitsilos there has never been a 22 hour marathon by VP.
If you are talking for 37 posts of 9 Feb those where done within 17 hours. There are plenty 17 hour sessions of VP, and much more many numerous dayly postings e.g on 30 January VP posted 55 posts!
One can accuse VP of being one of the MANY Cypforum-alcoholics, but hey man he is NOT the only one. There are too many believe me both GCs and TCs.

@VP
As you may have already suspected I made a detailed study of the times you posted. I accuse you of nothing. You are not the only one who is addicted to this forum. I also spend most of my "office working hours" here, and many many others do the same...

I need the working hours of public servants so I clarify the last pending matter for ALL of us. Will you ever give them to me?

[zan]

just like 63 hey vips?

but the 22hr marathon is still hanging like a noose around your head

Pitsilos there has never been a 22 hour marathon by VP.
If you are talking for 37 posts of 9 Feb those where done within 17 hours. There are plenty 17 hour sessions of VP, and much more many numerous dayly postings e.g on 30 January VP posted 55 posts!
One can accuse VP of being one of the MANY Cypforum-alcoholics, but hey man he is NOT the only one. There are too many believe me both GCs and TCs.

@VP
As you may have already suspected I made a detailed study of the times you posted. I accuse you of nothing. You are not the only one who is addicted to this forum. I also spend most of my "office working hours" here, and many many others do the same...

I need the working hours of public servants so I clarify the last pending matter for ALL of us. Will you ever give them to me?

His English is consistent though….Unlike others8)

[Kikapu]

Kikapu , I have made my mind up , I will not debate anything to do with Cyprus with an official of the "TRNC " it is pointless since It is a totaly futile exercise like discussing the merits blood transfusions with a Jehovah's Witness.
Here we all are putting up with what we all know it to be . A propaganta office run by the so called "VPs "I say to hell with the team of VPs , they are laughing at us for not realizing this when the avatar was changed to the current one showing a team of 4 !! We will learn nothing from this parrots on the contrary we are likely to be contaminated by their hateful approach to anything resembling a united Cyprus. I will personally IGNORE this team from now on and treat them with the contempt they deserve , they can all take a run and jump , i have had a bellyful of their consistent unconstructive anti Cypriot views.
Can I just ask if anyone knows of any of our T/C compatriots living in Cyprus and contributing to this forum ?

Miltiades,

I will urge yo to re consider what you said, about refusing to respond to VP's posts.

VP is not here to convert me or Birkibrisli to join his way of thinking, although, I think he would receive the "Achievement of the Year" awards from his team of Partitionist. Imagine what he will get, if he can convert a GC. No Sir, he is here to pass on the Partitionist's point of view, to any new comer to the forum, or the many "surfers or passer bye's" that will read VP's posts and get the impression, that's how things must be in Cyprus. Unless we counter his points with a stronger one and more to the truth, then the "new reader" will have another point of view, and not accept VP's points as fact.

[zan]

Kikapu , I have made my mind up , I will not debate anything to do with Cyprus with an official of the "TRNC " it is pointless since It is a totaly futile exercise like discussing the merits blood transfusions with a Jehovah's Witness.
Here we all are putting up with what we all know it to be . A propaganta office run by the so called "VPs "I say to hell with the team of VPs , they are laughing at us for not realizing this when the avatar was changed to the current one showing a team of 4 !! We will learn nothing from this parrots on the contrary we are likely to be contaminated by their hateful approach to anything resembling a united Cyprus. I will personally IGNORE this team from now on and treat them with the contempt they deserve , they can all take a run and jump , i have had a bellyful of their consistent unconstructive anti Cypriot views.
Can I just ask if anyone knows of any of our T/C compatriots living in Cyprus and contributing to this forum ?

Miltiades,

I will urge yo to re consider what you said, about refusing to respond to VP's posts.

VP is not here to convert me or Birkibrisli to join his way of thinking, although, I think he would receive the "Achievement of the Year" awards from his team of Partitionist. Imagine what he will get, if he can convert a GC. No Sir, he is here to pass on the Partitionist's point of view, to any new comer to the forum, or the many "surfers or passer bye's" that will read VP's posts and get the impression, that's how things must be in Cyprus. Unless we counter his points with a stronger one and more to the truth, then the "new reader" will have another point of view, and not accept VP's points as fact.

Kikapu
I live in England and have to rely on my sisters and family to tell me what it is like and how people feel in the TRNC. I also have a near active role in a small group that has links with Turkish Cyprus teachers. Where are you getting your leads from to write with such conviction as to how the TCs feel. Bir has already expressed his view that he thinks VPs summing up of the majority of TCs are but you seem to think it is different. Are you not in danger of just opposing VPs view and not being able to see the wood for the trees?

[Kikapu]

Kikapu , I have made my mind up , I will not debate anything to do with Cyprus with an official of the "TRNC " it is pointless since It is a totaly futile exercise like discussing the merits blood transfusions with a Jehovah's Witness.
Here we all are putting up with what we all know it to be . A propaganta office run by the so called "VPs "I say to hell with the team of VPs , they are laughing at us for not realizing this when the avatar was changed to the current one showing a team of 4 !! We will learn nothing from this parrots on the contrary we are likely to be contaminated by their hateful approach to anything resembling a united Cyprus. I will personally IGNORE this team from now on and treat them with the contempt they deserve , they can all take a run and jump , i have had a bellyful of their consistent unconstructive anti Cypriot views.
Can I just ask if anyone knows of any of our T/C compatriots living in Cyprus and contributing to this forum ?

Miltiades,

I will urge yo to re consider what you said, about refusing to respond to VP's posts.

VP is not here to convert me or Birkibrisli to join his way of thinking, although, I think he would receive the "Achievement of the Year" awards from his team of Partitionist. Imagine what he will get, if he can convert a GC. No Sir, he is here to pass on the Partitionist's point of view, to any new comer to the forum, or the many "surfers or passer bye's" that will read VP's posts and get the impression, that's how things must be in Cyprus. Unless we counter his points with a stronger one and more to the truth, then the "new reader" will have another point of view, and not accept VP's points as fact.

Kikapu
I live in England and have to rely on my sisters and family to tell me what it is like and how people feel in the TRNC. I also have a near active role in a small group that has links with Turkish Cyprus teachers. Where are you getting your leads from to write with such conviction as to how the TCs feel. Bir has already expressed his view that he thinks VPs summing up of the majority of TCs are but you seem to think it is different. Are you not in danger of just opposing VPs view and not being able to see the wood for the trees?

Zan,

VP has given very positives of how life is in the "TRNC". The living standards are high, BMW cannot keep cars in the showrooms long enough to collect dust, flat screens are selling like hot cakes, designer clothes are everywhere, so where is the problem with the isolation, and the bad treatments that he is always stating. When he wants to portray life as being hard in the "TRNC" he lays it on really thick, but to show the RoC that the "TRNC" has moved on and does not want to re-unite, everything is Rosy.

I get my "leads" from VP actually. He is his worse enemy. He contradicts everything he writes, so then I come along and question on the things he has written. But it is the propaganda parts, that I question him mostly about. As you know, items written as propaganda does not need to be a lie or not truthful. It is, when written out of context or has been given a touch of "SPIN", that propagandizes it.

VP says he want a solution, but hardly ever talks about it, and that's my problem with him.

He would rather go for Partition. If most people in the "TRNC" want that, lets examine what is it, that they stand to lose, if there was a Unification, as suppose to a Partition.

[paaul12]

Miltiades wrote:

This is from the official site of the UK Foreign office >

""""Property issues are closely linked to the political situation. There are a number of potential practical, financial and legal implications, particularly for those considering buying property in the north. These relate to the non-recognition of the "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus", the suspension of EU law in northern Cyprus, the possible consequences for property of a future settlement, and the many thousands of claims to ownership from people displaced in 1974. There is also a risk that purchasers would face legal proceedings in the courts of the Republic of Cyprus, as well as attempts to enforce judgements from the courts of the Republic of Cyprus elsewhere in the EU, including the UK. """"

Just to repeat what I posted earlier. NO INTERNATIONAL FINANCIAL BODY WOULD CONTEMPLATE LENDING MONEY WITH COLLATERAL AS THE DEEDS OF PROPERTY ISSUED BY THE "TRNC" Such deeds are recognised only by the issuing" authorities" as well as the occupiers , Turkey. There no other arguments here the case is closed.

The thing is and I guess we have to expect it from him he left out the most important part, I have copied the ACTUAL piece of information from the UK web-site, the bit you should note is that the UK government actual advise:

Before purchasing property anywhere in Cyprus, now why do you think he would leave that bit out????


Can I purchase property in Cyprus?

Before purchasing property anywhere in Cyprus you are strongly advised to seek qualified legal advice from a source that is independent from the seller.

Property issues are closely linked to the political situation. There are a number of potential practical, financial and legal implications, particularly for those considering buying property in the north. These relate to the non-recognition of the "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus", the suspension of EU law in northern Cyprus, the possible consequences for property of a future settlement, and the many thousands of claims to ownership from people displaced in 1974. There is also a risk that purchasers would face legal proceedings in the courts of the Republic of Cyprus, as well as attempts to enforce judgements from the courts of the Republic of Cyprus elsewhere in the EU, including the UK.

Separately, potential purchasers should also ensure that they are fully aware of the specific rules imposed by the administration on foreigners purchasing property in the north including the requirement to obtain consent to the transfer of property.

[zan]

Kikapu

I think the problem lies with the very recent past and what is happening now at a very accelerated rate in the TRNC/KKTC. There is transition going on and some are winning and some are losing. There is a lot of money floating around in the TRNC at the moment but it is money that is being generated fast. The problem lies with the infrastructure. For all this money that is being spent and made to have a long-term future and to be able to sustain an income for the foreseeable future there has to be infrastructure. There have to be crops that can be sold, there has to be a regular supply of tourists and we have to legitimately trade with other countries. What do you think you will see in ten years time if Turkey stopped giving all that money? We are under effective siege at the moment and are producing nothing. This is not a healthy situation so I think you have got the wrong end of the stick as to what VP is saying.




On the point of SPIN, yes he does but I have seen him discuss, for days with people about the right way for unification but it always ends up the same way and he is accused of wanting partition because he does not agree with the terms. TPapa has been playing that game for a long time now and it is getting to be a trick that the GCs play when we demand some of the power. You have to understand FULLY what they are asking of us. What they are saying is "we have made a nice little bed so why don't you come and lay with us. You can go where ever you want unless me and my brothers tell you different". DO YOU WANT TO PLAY?

[shahmaran]

Like my uncle says, the TRNC is a sick man tied to a bed with the help of the GCs, and fed through an IV by Turkey, he is not allowed to live nor allowed to die...

I think people need to live in the TRNC to be able to fully comprehend what isolations are really about, nice cars and designer clothes dont really make up a nation.

[miltiades]

Pauul12 , don't be so bloody ridiculous man , one site is recognised as a legal government by all nations on earth apart from Turkey , it also has a property registry system that was put in place during the British administration of Cyprus. It does not sell properties that belong to T/Cs . The legal system is answerable to EU directives and not to an occupying army. There is no comparison between the enormous risks involved in purchasing property in the North and those involved in purchasing property in Cyprus. You are trying to comfort yourself , I presume you are a Brit who has bought property out there , that all is safe. Well it bloody well ain't safe mate, If I find out that my property has been sold to a Brit I will take him to court not only in Cyprus but also in the UK. So carry on having sleepless nights.