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[humanist]

Agreement. Regrardless of the trnc's failure to set u appropriate committees.

[Viewpoint]

Agreement. Regrardless of the trnc's failure to set u appropriate committees.

Could you clarify exactly what you mean?

[humanist]

Well my understanding is that the trnc have not got together the committees agreed on July 8th 2006. The RoC keep saying that Talat has not honoured the agreement so I am saying that regardless of the fact that Talat has not met his part of the deal the RoC needs to honour theirs and let the UN be judge. Instead of sitting back and blaming the turkish speaking cypriot side.

VP, you do not have to worry unlike some people on this forum I do not take sides and claim that the RoC is all innocent and proper, infact i think they have not done enough to solve the Cyprus problem. 33 years later with half the population still refugees and the other half living under economic embargo is not good enough and infact the international community and that stupid entity called UN have failed the people of Cyprus on both sides of the divide. That is not to say that I do not support the economic embargo, either. I do support it and will keep on supporting it until very refugee is given the right of return is they choose to do so. I have stated many times befire though that I dod not believe that in a solution many refugees will return. Thus the RoC needs to take a register on those people who will definetly not return and give them a couple of years grace period that if they do not return that they will be compensated for their property at market value so that the balance between north and south population could be more wqual per capita as per AP.

[Viewpoint]

Well my understanding is that the trnc have not got together the committees agreed on July 8th 2006. The RoC keep saying that Talat has not honoured the agreement so I am saying that regardless of the fact that Talat has not met his part of the deal the RoC needs to honour theirs and let the UN be judge. Instead of sitting back and blaming the turkish speaking cypriot side.

VP, you do not have to worry unlike some people on this forum I do not take sides and claim that the RoC is all innocent and proper, infact i think they have not done enough to solve the Cyprus problem. 33 years later with half the population still refugees and the other half living under economic embargo is not good enough and infact the international community and that stupid entity called UN have failed the people of Cyprus on both sides of the divide. That is not to say that I do not support the economic embargo, either. I do support it and will keep on supporting it until very refugee is given the right of return is they choose to do so. I have stated many times befire though that I dod not believe that in a solution many refugees will return. Thus the RoC needs to take a register on those people who will definetly not return and give them a couple of years grace period that if they do not return that they will be compensated for their property at market value so that the balance between north and south population could be more wqual per capita as per AP.

Our President Talat has stated many times publicly that he is ready, so no one knows who's telling the truth I agree with you that the UN should say out right which side is holding things up, so that people can also know and lobby their MPs.

Why do you feel the embargoes should continue only on the TCs? let for arguments sake say the GCs are knowingly delaying a solution and the have no intention of solving anything, yet the TCs showed to the world they are for a solution with their YES, is it right that these embargoes continue? and do you think we should just take this imbalance without doing what we can to have them removed?

[Pyrpolizer]

You got your chance to say yes. What chance did we ever get? The chance that said we should lose 2/3rds of our properties, and even risk losing whatever we builted for so many years?

Anyway, the problem as I see it is the secrecy behind those committees. The UN is responsible to come out and SAY why they have not yet started. Papadopoulos says Talat does not accept the matter of properties!!!

[humanist]

VP, I still maintain that Talat has not done enough. If he has done enough why not call a media conference with major international media, to take his committees to Gambari's office and say here we are where is the other side. Similarly with Papadopoulos why has he not done the same. They both sit there blaming each other without fullifilling their part of the agreement.

Secondly, I support the embargos because I do not support the occupation of Cyprus by the turkish army. I do not believe that it is right to invade another country claim a 3rd of its land and be allowed to do so without any consequences. The consequesnce for northern cyprus is the international emabrgo.

Before the 2004 referendum it was stated that yes/ no vote will not act as a judgement on either side as good/ bad or indifferent it was a away that people would have voted as to what they believed was right at the time.

Greek Speaking Cypriots and my congratulations to those who are not refugees they stood by the compatriots who have been ousted from their coutry to say no we do not agree with injustice all cypriots should have the right to live where they wish to live within their country, and do whatever they wish to do with their land. they also said through their vote that they doi not want a foreign army presence in their country once again I aplaud their vote on that.

W hat Greek Speaking cypriots have repeatedly said is that they want to live with turkish cypriots, most see turkish cypriots as their compatriots but they do not want turkey invloved as Greece is not involved, as China is not involved. What most Cypriots have said is that they want to share political power, economic social and other domains of Cypriot life. Turkish Cypriots on the other hand want partition and that is fine. But understand that Greek Cypriots want the properties back and so long as you want partition Greek Cypswill want something else back. The fact that trnc is not recogmnised by the international community is enough to say that is not an option so lets move towards a bi-communal/ bizonal federation under a fedral govenrment system that ensures equality in political representation. I am no politician but I am an educated man who can sit back and say ok we have been separated and isolated for 32 years, there is an opportunity to change things so lets do it, lets begin more productive discussions,.

A progessive leader would see that the international community will not allow for for partition otherwise it would have happened by now, a progessive leader who genuinely wants the best for his people would say hey hang on we have been under the thumb of the turkish army for 32 years and we are still isolated and missing out on international participation may be we can live together with the Greek Cypriots and share political social health and economic opportunities this country offers, we know and can see that the south is progressing. This is the time my friend before the bloody oil comes out of the groung because the island will forever be divided once that black thing is out of the bottom of the ocean.

[cypezokyli]

i think neither of the two really bothers about the committees.
unless someone comes and forces us, they will not do anything

[Viewpoint]

humanist apologies for not seeing this post earlier and responding.

VP, I still maintain that Talat has not done enough. If he has done enough why not call a media conference with major international media, to take his committees to Gambari's office and say here we are where is the other side. Similarly with Papadopoulos why has he not done the same. They both sit there blaming each other without fullifilling their part of the agreement.

I agree that both sides can do a lot more but surely being the recognized side a lot more responsiblities lays on the GCs to show they care and want a fair unification by taking bold steps to prove what they say.

Secondly, I support the embargos because I do not support the occupation of Cyprus by the turkish army. I do not believe that it is right to invade another country claim a 3rd of its land and be allowed to do so without any consequences. The consequesnce for northern cyprus is the international emabrgo.

Embargoes breed annimosity, alienation and hate towards the south The we told you what they are like you cannot unite with these people attitude will continue to be milked as long as GCs do not take any steps to lighten the isolation. Is this what you want?

Before the 2004 referendum it was stated that yes/ no vote will not act as a judgement on either side as good/ bad or indifferent it was a away that people would have voted as to what they believed was right at the time.

This is how the worl percieve the negative side but sure it was again down to the side who rejected the solution to come up with an alternative?

Greek Speaking Cypriots and my congratulations to those who are not refugees they stood by the compatriots who have been ousted from their coutry to say no we do not agree with injustice all cypriots should have the right to live where they wish to live within their country, and do whatever they wish to do with their land. they also said through their vote that they doi not want a foreign army presence in their country once again I aplaud their vote on that.

Then they have to bear the consequences of their decision and find alternatives this does not always work out to theri advatnage as sometimes cy-utting your loses allows you make back the opportunity lost cost which all reugees are suffering now.

W hat Greek Speaking cypriots have repeatedly said is that they want to live with turkish cypriots, most see turkish cypriots as their compatriots but they do not want turkey invloved as Greece is not involved, as China is not involved. What most Cypriots have said is that they want to share political power, economic social and other domains of Cypriot life. Turkish Cypriots on the other hand want partition and that is fine. But understand that Greek Cypriots want the properties back and so long as you want partition Greek Cypswill want something else back. The fact that trnc is not recogmnised by the international community is enough to say that is not an option so lets move towards a bi-communal/ bizonal federation under a fedral govenrment system that ensures equality in political representation. I am no politician but I am an educated man who can sit back and say ok we have been separated and isolated for 32 years, there is an opportunity to change things so lets do it, lets begin more productive discussions,.

Then the GCs need some very strong PR in the north and actions to cofirm what you claim as currently what they are doing allows them to be percieved as evil greedy bastards who want control of the whole island and will reduce us to a minority with no political control.

A progessive leader would see that the international community will not allow for for partition otherwise it would have happened by now, a progessive leader who genuinely wants the best for his people would say hey hang on we have been under the thumb of the turkish army for 32 years and we are still isolated and missing out on international participation may be we can live together with the Greek Cypriots and share political social health and economic opportunities this country offers, we know and can see that the south is progressing. This is the time my friend before the bloody oil comes out of the groung because the island will forever be divided once that black thing is out of the bottom of the ocean.

A progressive leader looks at all his options and with the current climate the Turkey option is considered better than the GC/EU option. Ill let you work out why.