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[andri_cy]

Pete you cannot take peoples' behaviors on this forum as an example. We do have a lot of people on here, who still haven't reached maturity...

[Pete_D]

Yeah I know

That was kind of me yet again saying I am sick of all the abuse certain people level at each other. Last time I said so I was not as subtle... but then they all teamed up to attack me for a while instead, which was good actually as it at least meant they were not attacking each other for a while!!!

Pete

[humanist]

If you stop and think about it from another angle, to the one where you have been standing from. To this moment you willl see that the question posed here can 'can greeks live with turks .....?" need not be asked if everyone saw themselves as cypriot. who may stop and think from that different perspective not the opposite perspective but a different perspective, you will see that all cypriots independenly of their ethnic background ought to say yes to the question a mere human being living next to another human being , same blood, same body, same God probably most highly likely as there only took one idea to form all this.


My belief is that none of or at least very few of us have ever had a bad experience from the other. not our fathers and their fathers but us directly.

[Bill]

Well you have only got to look at London in particular and other cities in the UK were Cypriots reside

I'm always amazed at how well the majority get on with each other.

I've been to Turkish Cypriot weddings and met lots of Greek Cypriots .
I've also been to Greek Cypriot weddings and met Lots of Turkish Cypriots.

I wouldn't say that the two are living in each others pockets but I can say that they live in a certain amount of harmony as they often work together or live as neighbours .

The really sad thing I find is that whilst living in relative harmony in the UK -- when they go back to Cyprus the old hatred / name calling resumes -- that I presume is peer pressure from the Cypriots living in Cyprus and the UK Cypriots have to follow the accepted attitude .

Once they are back in the UK they are asking each other how the holiday was and they are friends again .

I've often thought that the politicians on both sides in Cyprus should come and live in the UK for 6 months in a area of mixed Greek / Turkish Cypriots and learn a valuable lesson .

Whilst you will find the nationalistic fanatics on both sides it seems that the two sides can and do live in close harmony with very little trouble in the UK --- SO WHY NOT IN CYPRUS !!!!!

Bill

[smokey]

mr free_cyprus
kick every one out wow what ifwe said the same in uk or other mainlands of the world. dont be greedy with cyprus and share it with all who want to live here. dont be hitler!

[Piratis]

It is not a question of if we "can". Of course we can, like in the many other multi-ethnic countries. The only thing we should do is simply follow their example.

The question is: Do the TCs want to just live together as equal citizens along with the GCs in a united Cyprus or they want to use the military power of Turkey to gain on the loss of GCs?

Respect is a a pre-requisite in any kind of good relationship. If greediness on one side is so high that leads them to insist on crimes, human rights violations and undemocratic provisions against the other side, then there is no respect and therefore no chance of harmonious relationship.

Personally I believe respect is the way to go. The TCs might think that trying to take a huge part of Cyprus just for themselves suits them better, however they should remember what happened in Crete: After 4 centuries of Ottoman rule all Turks were eventually kicked out - and no, the Ottomans never thought that could happen to their mighty empire. Or more simply: What goes around, comes around.

Therefore I urge everybody to side with democracy, human rights and respect, and forget anything else that might seem more beneficial now, but in the long term will be not.

[free_cyprus]

smokey
if i was in charge of cyprus i would put 25 years embargo on turkey greece and britain, this means having no tv from them no radio from them nothing from them till we find our own identity, how can those idiots refer to turkey or greece as mother lands when cyprus has been tortured and raped for 5 thousand years. cyprus is an island of mummies baby daddys maybe thats our history. we never had independence and never will while outsiders keep sticking their nose and controling cyprus in every aspect

[Viewpoint]

It is not a question of if we "can". Of course we can, like in the many other multi-ethnic countries. The only thing we should do is simply follow their example.

The question is: Do the TCs want to just live together as equal citizens along with the GCs in a united Cyprus or they want to use the military power of Turkey to gain on the loss of GCs?

Respect is a a pre-requisite in any kind of good relationship. If greediness on one side is so high that leads them to insist on crimes, human rights violations and undemocratic provisions against the other side, then there is no respect and therefore no chance of harmonious relationship.

Personally I believe respect is the way to go. The TCs might think that trying to take a huge part of Cyprus just for themselves suits them better, however they should remember what happened in Crete: After 4 centuries of Ottoman rule all Turks were eventually kicked out - and no, the Ottomans never thought that could happen to their mighty empire. Or more simply: What goes around, comes around.

Therefore I urge everybody to side with democracy, human rights and respect, and forget anything else that might seem more beneficial now, but in the long term will be not.

Why didnt you practice what you preach back in 1960? and lets say you get what you want a united Cyprus with TCs reduced to just like any other minority in the world having to learn the language of the majority due to discriminative practices of the Gc state will you still be preaching "democracy, human rights and respect" for all or will you then say we are the majority so shut up and lump it if you dont like it, leave? Well Im sorry but I see a great deal of risk for my community and the GC track record is hardly democratic when deealing with matters concerning the TCs, its to much of a dark hole to jump into and be left at the mercy of GCs.

[Simon]

Free it does not really matter what you or anybody else says; Cyprus will always have major outside influences because it is a tiny island, which cannot independently defend itself and is in a crucially important strategic position in the world. Therefore, the powers that be, whether it is Greece, Turkey, Great Britain, USA or the EU will always greatly influence Cyprus and to think this will ever stop is simply naive.

Further, you ask Cyprus to cut its diplomatic ties with Britain, Greece and Turkey? Forgive me, but this is simply ridiculous. Most of Cyprus' wealth depends on Britain, so to cut ties with them would be a grave mistake. We need to keep speaking to Turkey and TCs to find a solution to our divide, and to promote peace, so again cutting our ties is just nonsensical. Thirdly, Greece is the RoC's most loyal ally, one of our largest investors and culturally, historically and politically our most important partner in this world. To cut diplomatic ties with these countries would be nothing short of suicidal.

Lastly, Cyprus has suffered from hands of foreigners for centuries; however, many GCs regarded themselves as Cypriot and Greek; eg Cypriots are Greeks, and to say Cypriot not Greek is the equivalent of saying Cretan not Greek. The Greeks came to Cyprus 1,250 years BEFORE Christ was born; when there were barely a few mud-huts in Cyprus with perhaps no more than a few thousand people living here. The Greeks brought civilisation and culture to Cyprus; and Cyprus has retained its Greek identity ever since. Greeks never forced their name on any Cypriot; Cypriots are mainly settlers from Greece, there is a big difference there. You seem to be implying that the Greeks are one of the foreigners, who have raped and tortured Cyprus over the years. This is simply false and a distortion of history. The Greeks who settled in Cyprus, were in reality the first Cypriot civilisation. People more and more seem prefer to deny their Greek heritage, in favour of trying to unite with TCs. While I can understand why people may want to do this, I see it as a mistake for many reasons, which I have stated previously and will not repeat. However, one thing I will say is that TCs seem to be moving closer and closer to mainland Turks, despite your efforts; indeed TCs in the north are now the minority to the settlers. They seem to now favour partition as the preferred solution; and those who don't, prefer something like the Annan Plan, which is de facto partition anyway. So before GCs willingly give up any trace of Greek identity they may have, be it through our language, religion, food, music, dancing etc, I urge caution. I would also urge a great deal of caution in poisoning our relationship with our most loyal ally, Greece. I sometimes wonder, what these people who try to purge any trace of Greek from our identity; would be saying if 96% of Cypriots got their wish in the 1950s, which was of course union with Greece.

[pitsilos]

yeap vips you are right, everyone should should every german on sight.