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Number of Greek Pontian Settlers in the South

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

How many Pontians are there?

Poll ended at Tue Jan 11, 2005 9:21 pm

35,000-45,000
0
No votes
46,000-55,000
0
No votes
56,000-65,000
0
No votes
66,000-75,000
1
33%
76,000-85,000
0
No votes
86,000-95,000
0
No votes
96,000-105,000
2
67%
 
Total votes : 3

Postby -mikkie2- » Sat Jan 08, 2005 1:58 am

Erol,

Look, I am fed up with having these conversations. The RoC does not give out citizenships just like that. They are VERY strict. I am sure that much of the information you are seeking regarding 'settlers' in the south is in the public domain.

In any case, it now seems that this forum has been taken over by fanatics that generate threads that are quite simply antagonistic and stir up the very things that we are trying to get rid of. I am all for debate but things in this forum are starting to get out of hand and I simply cannot keep up with the volume of posts.

I would hope most people are intelligent enough to see through most of the crap that is being bandied around here but it seems that most people have retreated to the usual partisan positions which do nothing to foster proper debate.
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Postby erolz » Sat Jan 08, 2005 3:50 am

-mikkie2- wrote:Erol,

I am all for debate but things in this forum are starting to get out of hand and I simply cannot keep up with the volume of posts.


Yes the volume has been steped up lately and yes it is difficult to keep up - but ultimately that is a good thing for these forums (though difficult for us as individuals)

-mikkie2- wrote:I would hope most people are intelligent enough to see through most of the crap that is being bandied around here


I think most people are intelligent enough to see through most of the crap.

-mikkie2- wrote:but it seems that most people have retreated to the usual partisan positions which do nothing to foster proper debate.


I am trying not to resort to partisan positions for my part. I was just pointing out that there are 2 sorts (more actualy) of 'non cypriots' living in either part of cyprus - as you yourself had done and that if comparision are to be made then they should be done so on a the same basis. Its no good comparing non cypriot TRNC citizens and non citizens against the numbers of only one of those groups in the south. Anyway the whole issue is one of little importance to me really. I do not think anyone on either side should be forced to leave Cyprus as the result of any settlement the two communites might agreed to - however many there are on either side. Thats my personal position.
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Postby -mikkie2- » Sat Jan 08, 2005 12:31 pm

Erol,

The situation regarding non citizens and citizens is totally different between the north and the south. Why can't you accept this? Is it so difficult to accept that the majority of non-cypriots in the south are not citizens of the RoC? This is a BIG difference.

The fact remains that there are no details as to the origin of the 'citizens' in the north. And that is because the regime does not want people to know the true number.
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Postby MicAtCyp » Sat Jan 08, 2005 1:18 pm

If someone is an ignorant and can be proved to be so, then he truly is an ignorant. Full stop. Teleia. Nokta.
If some dudes feel bad about it, and think I am arrogant, thats their problem not mine.This concerns you Muffy.

By the way as some "non cave men" however true ignorants, have already guessed, the above statistics concern the number of foreigners living in Cyprus according to the last census. Apologies for not mentioning it in my previous post.

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Erol the thread topic was about the Pontians. We GC members of the forum informed you countless of times that the Pontians do not have citizenship, do not vote, do not have RoC passports, do not live on stolen properties, do not ,do not, do not. And here comes a new member with an obsession in her mind about the Pontians daring to compare their status with the thousands of the real trashy settlers at the occupied areas. Moreover she calls the Pontians "settlers" !!! Well if that’s not preposterous I wonder what it is?

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Butterfly canim, we are talking about your obsession OK? Listen to this perhaps it will make you feel happier. The majority of the Pontians have IQ below zero. The hell most of them speak Turkish and Russian! And theres a great proportion of them who are either alcoholic or heroin adicts! Oh and they are concentrated at Paphos. If we had a city one million miles away from the capital they would concentrate there, that is.

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Mikkie wrote: It seems to me that we now have more TC is the forum which is good, but I am seeing one person making statements and every TC jumping up and agreeing without question.


Mikkie have you ever seen a TC disagreeing openly with another TC? Never man, never! If it happens by accident, s/he will be tactfully told to shut up, and s/he will shut up from the very next post, or even say s/he didn't mean it that way etc etc. That's the mentality of the pack....

Mikkie wrote: There is no objective argument at the moment, its just who can shout loudest. I for one will take some time out from here because I just don't have the time to keep up with the volume of threads and posts flying around.


I quite agree with you Mikkie.It's all statements and statements and nothing else. Of course one good thing came out of this Babylon. Bananiot got vanished, thank Goodness....
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Postby brother » Sat Jan 08, 2005 2:18 pm

It hurt you guys that bananiot was speaking truths that you did not want to hear coming from a gc.
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Postby erolz » Sat Jan 08, 2005 6:20 pm

MicAtCyp wrote: Mikkie have you ever seen a TC disagreeing openly with another TC? Never man, never! If it happens by accident, s/he will be tactfully told to shut up, and s/he will shut up from the very next post, or even say s/he didn't mean it that way etc etc. That's the mentality of the pack....


This is just not born out by the evidence on these forum MicAtCyp. There are things that TC have and do 'disagree' (hold different opinions on) about. I could post countless examples of this. Would you like me to do so or will you accept that your assertion that we never openly disagree with each onther on this forum is just not correct?
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Postby mehmet » Sat Jan 08, 2005 6:31 pm

MicatCyp,

what do you want us to do? Call each other traitors like others on this forum? I have always been protesting at this inability to debate in a civilised manner. You want me to do what Piratis has been doing for some time and kelebek do recently, exchange theories on racial supremacy that are insulting. For too long we have had this kind of bad manners on this forum and I congratulate Erol for finally challenging Piratis for his racism. It is something that needed doing a long time ago, I'm only ashamed I didn't do it myself. Why only now you bring this issue up when for a long time I and Metecyp and Insan were the only Turks having to listen to this nonsense.
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Postby Piratis » Sat Jan 08, 2005 7:11 pm

rac·ism
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

2.Discrimination or prejudice based on race.


So I am asking you. Are you racists?

If you are not, then you should not accept any kind of discrimination based on race. If you want to split Cypriots according to race, then you are racists. So as we say: "The donkey said the rooster has a big head", or to put it otherwise: The super racists of this forum come to accuse me of racism!!!

Look at your own racism first, that you split Cypriots based on race and you demand that some Cypriots have different rights based on what language or religion they have.

Judge yourselves before you judge me.

(This doesn't go to Mehmet, I don't think he supports such racist things. But Erolz, Insan and most other TCs do) [/quote]
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Postby Othellos » Sat Jan 08, 2005 7:49 pm

Look at your own racism first, that you split Cypriots based on race and you demand that some Cypriots have different rights based on what language or religion they have.


While it is not my intention to interfer in the ongoing argument, the above does raise an interesting point and also a valid question that many GC's have with respect to any future solution. How do the TC's see the insistence of their own leadership that in a united (or "united") Cyprus, some Cypriots should still have different (less) rights because of their ethnic background? And can any such demand be described as racist or not?

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Postby erolz » Sat Jan 08, 2005 7:57 pm

Piratis wrote:So I am asking you. Are you racists?


No I am not.

Piratis wrote:If you are not, then you should not accept any kind of discrimination based on race. If you want to split Cypriots according to race, then you are racists. So as we say: "The donkey said the rooster has a big head", or to put it otherwise: The super racists of this forum come to accuse me of racism!!!


Supporting a federal solution in Cyprus based on a concept and degree of equality between the two states is not racist - just as it is undemocratic or against human rights. You claim it is but no one of any susbstance would seem to agree with you.
Saying that all Turks know how to do is kill,rape and steal is racist. Saying that all TC are theives is racist.

Piratis wrote:Look at your own racism first, that you split Cypriots based on race and you demand that some Cypriots have different rights based on what language or religion they have.


I have never said they should have different rights. I have said as indivduals they should have the same rights. As communities they should have the same rights (a federal solution).

Your racism is clear and direct and based on your own posts.

My 'alledged' racism is based on your interpretation and extrapolations from my desire to have a degree of political equality between the two communites in Cyprus. Yet I should deal with my racism first? No you should deal with yours and then try and come back and convince me that you have 'repented' of these racist beliefs that you hold and express here.

Piratis wrote:Judge yourselves before you judge me.


Look in a mirror and try saying that (with me changed to you and yourlself and you changed to myself and me changed to I)!

Again just so there is no confusion or 'obfuscation' of the core here. I have accused you of being racist because you say (post) and repeatedly post racist remarks. That is what I want to highlight. I want to highlight it because racism should always be challeneged in my opinion. It is a duty to do so.
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