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[shahmaran]

i admit its not really worth taking the piss, but his black humour does hold some truth in considering how you guys are still complaining about your lands where his "fat kid feeding on mc donalds" metaphor is quite valid for representing how rich the south has got since the war, while the north has been on hold since 74.

And considering the cause of the whole situation mainly arousing from the GCs, can you not see the irony in your case? i mean you want sympathy for your own doings while you have moved on and the victims are still being victimised through politics and propaganda, excuse me if i believe its bit of a sick and twisted logic... but there are people in this forum who are shaming people for broadcasting radio signals from the north, complaining to TV programs for advertising the north, making petitions to stop direct flights to the north, while you are still on about people living in SMALL FLATS?!?!?

have you ever seen the refugee houses in the north? i happen to live right across from them!

[DT.]

i admit its not really worth taking the piss, but his black humour does hold some truth in considering how you guys are still complaining about your lands where his "fat kid feeding on mc donalds" metaphor is quite valid for representing how rich the south has got since the war, while the north has been on hold since 74.

And considering the cause of the whole situation mainly arousing from the GCs, can you not see the irony in your case? i mean you want sympathy for your own doings while you have moved on and the victims are still being victimised through politics and propaganda, excuse me if i believe its bit of a sick and twisted logic... but there are people in this forum who are shaming people for broadcasting radio signals from the north, complaining to TV programs for advertising the north, making petitions to stop direct flights to the north, while you are still on about people living in SMALL FLATS?!?!?

have you ever seen the refugee houses in the north? i happen to live right across from them!

Well it seems we hit a new low.

You keep posing the victim behind 40,000 Mehmetchik and your carnaval mountain flags, and we'll keep posing as the aggressors. If thats what makes sense to you then so be it.

[shahmaran]

so wait let me get this straight, you are the victims because? you lost your homes and had to move to the south, BUT you are pretty well off now and have prospered tremendously, but you are still the victim because?! you have to help me please because im failing to function around this GC logic....because we put up flags on the mountains and keep Turkish army for safety purposes, so we dont have to go through the whole ENOSIS, EOKA, EOKA-B kind of situations again?

while as safe as we are we are isolated like we had been in the enclaves back in the day, soo we are the oppressors and you are the victims? i think i get it now...

[DT.]

so wait let me get this straight, you are the victims because? you lost your homes and had to move to the south, BUT you are pretty well off now and have prospered tremendously, but you are still the victim because?! you have to help me please because im failing to function around this GC logic....because we put up flags on the mountains and keep Turkish army for safety purposes, so we dont have to go through the whole ENOSIS, EOKA, EOKA-B kind of situations again?

while as safe as we are we are isolated like we had been in the enclaves back in the day, soo we are the oppressors and you are the victims? i think i get it now...

Put it to you this way. DUe to our own stupidity we gave Turkey the opportunity to invade and bring back consitutional order (which it didn't) They kicked out 200,000 people and slaughtered thousands. SInce then due to hard work and Cypriots mostly working in arab countries for the past 30 years (my family included we were in Oman after the invasion for 20 odd years) we managed to recuperate financially.

In your fail safe logic nothing has been done to us because we recovered financially whereas the TC's who thought had the upper hand after the invasion find out that they have managed to isolate themselves financially, politically and humanly.
Why? Because we had the legal argument for us. The only way you could have retained the upper hand was if Turkey had reinstated the constitution as it was its obligation as a gaurantor power....

Your argument is twisted and lacks realism.

[askimwos]

shar, you always try to justify the turkish occupation and oppression with the fact that in the past some tcs suffered from the nationalistic elements on the gc side. We all more or less accepted that these eoka b people have been acting on their own agenda and that they commited attrocities. What about TMT which is the other side of the same coin? I have never heart you condemning TMT's actions and don't tell me it was selfdefence cause it ain't like this. You only have to remember the Misiaoulis and Kavazoglou murders. The same people have been a target of eoka b as well as tmt.

Yes some people from both sides commited crimes prior to 1964, and if it makes you happy I will accept that these crimes were greater in numbers from the eoka b side. What makes you think that everything that is going on and that any later crimes commited by Turkey are justifiable? As if Turkey didn't have it's own agenda and the invation was a peace bringing , bloodless exersice. What if I turned the argument and say that TCs and Turkey fucked up big time with the invation and that all it has managed is to bring misery to tc people and problems for Turkey itself at every international stage?

[DT.]

shar, you always try to justify the turkish occupation and oppression with the fact that in the past some tcs suffered from the nationalistic elements on the gc side. We all more or less accepted that these eoka b people have been acting on their own agenda and that they commited attrocities. What about TMT which is the other side of the same coin? I have never heart you condemning TMT's actions and don't tell me it was selfdefence cause it ain't like this. You only have to remember the Misiaoulis and Kavazoglou murders. The same people have been a target of eoka b as well as tmt.

Yes some people from both sides commited crimes prior to 1964, and if it makes you happy I will accept that these crimes were greater in numbers from the eoka b side. What makes you think that everything that is going on and that any later crimes commited by Turkey are justifiable? As if Turkey didn't have it's own agenda and the invation was a peace bringing , bloodless exersice. What if I turned the argument and say that TCs and Turkey fucked up big time with the invation and that all it has managed is to bring misery to tc people and problems for Turkey itself at every international stage?

What are you talking about? The napalm thrown by the heroic turkish airforce was a peace offering.

[shahmaran]

right i get it, so in order to get the "upper hand" (since this is what its all about) you are willing to fight Turkey at the cost of the TCs, i see the straight logic now, it was there the whole time, silly me!

[Viewpoint]

Shar, give us a break mate! Sometimes I wonder if it is worth discussing with you! We have discussed this in the past and I have mentioned that between the period of 1974 and 1990 whole families had to live without the adult males because these were abroad and mainly in the arab countries working in order to feed their families.
As for the tcs that went abroad and mainly in the UK to escape the occupation one just need to thing that in London alone there are around 50,000 TCs and around 250,000 GCs - pretty comparaple to the 80% 20% split of the cyprus population don't you think?

As for the refugee settlements there are a total of 7 of them just in the Stovolos area, this accounts for around 30,000 of them still leaving in these little flats. I will make the offer once more, come to the south and we can visit these settlements together so you can see for yourself.

Is it like the one in Limasol? near the fly over?

[DT.]

Shar, give us a break mate! Sometimes I wonder if it is worth discussing with you! We have discussed this in the past and I have mentioned that between the period of 1974 and 1990 whole families had to live without the adult males because these were abroad and mainly in the arab countries working in order to feed their families.
As for the tcs that went abroad and mainly in the UK to escape the occupation one just need to thing that in London alone there are around 50,000 TCs and around 250,000 GCs - pretty comparaple to the 80% 20% split of the cyprus population don't you think?

As for the refugee settlements there are a total of 7 of them just in the Stovolos area, this accounts for around 30,000 of them still leaving in these little flats. I will make the offer once more, come to the south and we can visit these settlements together so you can see for yourself.

Is it like the one in Limasol? near the fly over?

thats the Tsireon football stadium mate.

[Viewpoint]

Shar, give us a break mate! Sometimes I wonder if it is worth discussing with you! We have discussed this in the past and I have mentioned that between the period of 1974 and 1990 whole families had to live without the adult males because these were abroad and mainly in the arab countries working in order to feed their families.
As for the tcs that went abroad and mainly in the UK to escape the occupation one just need to thing that in London alone there are around 50,000 TCs and around 250,000 GCs - pretty comparaple to the 80% 20% split of the cyprus population don't you think?

As for the refugee settlements there are a total of 7 of them just in the Stovolos area, this accounts for around 30,000 of them still leaving in these little flats. I will make the offer once more, come to the south and we can visit these settlements together so you can see for yourself.

Is it like the one in Limasol? near the fly over?

thats the Tsireon football stadium mate.

There a refugee camp there built on TC land, do you know it?