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How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby pitsilos » Mon Feb 26, 2007 3:34 pm

Mr Pete_D,

Allow me to reply to your accusations.

pitsilos i'm not going to bother to trawl through the forum to find any examples, but I would not be surprised if - were i the sort of individual to attack you, which I am not - i would end up saying you were also guilty of this sort of bad behaviour which at times borders on the idiotic and pointless.

No need to trawl the forum to find examples. Yes I did use foul language, abused people in kind, but what you fail to see, since then the admin has specifacally said stop or you get banned. Why then some members take it upon themselves to contunue? Should they go unpunished? Admin posted a couple of days ago and since then i refrained from using obsenities while others ignored the warning. Should they go unpunished? So in short your first post is it self idiotic and pointless.

Devil was not proposing to temporarily suspend the whole forum, just the cyprus problem section and to rule that no-one should use any other section to publicise any cyprus problem type issues (and presumably, that any attempt to do so should lead to immediate deletion of the post and/or a ban).

Why should a few spoil the experience of others when the admin laid down the law a couple of days ago? Stop it or you get banned without a warning. Are we here to reward the rule breakers? why introduce rules that can harm the forum rather than bitting the bullet and ban foul mouth members? Unless of cource you get off with obsenities and I am not saying you do, I am generalizing here.

As for swearing, I do not think it should necessarily be banned because a) it is so difficult to police and b) any minors viewing this site could easily be exposed to this sort of language elsewhere on the internet. And it is easily circumnavigated, for example if I want to I can call you a tw&t and we all know what I have said but i did not use a swear word.

So let me get this straight, you condone swearing?, as per your first sentence because.
1/ difficult to police....give me a break please. how difficult is it to police when its in black and white?
2/Minors are exposed to it anyway....does that mean we should condone it? how about drugs, porngraphy, etc. I am sure since the invention of the internet everything is at your disposal. does that mean we sould start posting pornographic material because kids are gonna see it anyway mentality? where do you draw the line Mr Pete?

btw there are filters you can install that take out the swear words with xxxx, etc. just in case you and devil are not aware. Me too was a mod at the legendary waff and we had tools at our disposal.

I have to say, people on this forum get away with an awful lot which would not be tolerated on other forums. This may be because the Admin is trying to encourage free discussion and treat us all like adults. But a number of members totally abuse this privilege.

Getting away with a lot Mr Pete? You just told us that swearing should not be banned coz of a couple of excuses you gave and I am saying it should be outlawed. Let me ask you this, was I wrong to report vips for swearing? because in one instance you say people get away with a lot in this forum and on the other hand you saying lets swear because of the excuses you gave above. I see a contradiction in terms here Mr Pete? So I will ask you again what's it going to be? you want to see foul mouth swearing, such as you mum has been sucking turkish soldiers cock? or no swearing? I prefer the latter and I hope you do to. Now how do you police this? By having a report button so we can report it the offending post to the /mod/admin for immediate action and I mena to see action, another little usefull tool may I add. So in short, inactivity in swearing breeds...well i let you decide this one Mr Pete.
btw I didn't see you jumping in a condemning the saying,and your excuse is? Or is this another one of the swearing that should be allowed? Please let me know. And where do you draw the line Mr Pete? well you seem intelligent enough to figure it all by yourself.

The problem is that the Admin and moderators are only humans and presumably are not paid directly for their work on this forum, so are not able to police it to the extent they might like. Also, when a forum starts getting heavy handed it can get too bureaucratic at times. Devil you probably appreciate that from the fact you administrate another forum yourself?

Mr Pete ever thought the members are also here to endorse the rules by reporting them, rather than waiting for the admin/mod to read every post to see what the hell is going on? I am sure our very good friend vips is an expert at this.
As I said why not have,
1/ more than 1 mod in a heated forum, and I mean active mods?
2/ A reporting button so the offensive post gets reported directly
3/ A filter that cuts out obsenities
But in your haste to critisize you ommited to mention such solutions. You rather go down the track of rewarding foul mouth members because as you said too difficult to police. Well done Mr Pete, try and reward the aggressor and spoil the fun for others. Have you and devil have any more briliant suggestions?

Anyway mr. pitsilos, what a shame that it would appear you decided to use this thread to attack other forum members - i.e viewpoint - it certainly would appear to readers that this was a thinly veiled attempt to promote your own, some would say, corrupt agenda.

No, Mr Pete you are using this thread to reward foul mouth individuals at the expense of others with out really offering long term solutions apart of feeling the need to sinlge me out for taking the first step incombating foul mouth posts. well done.

it certainly would appear to readers that this was a thinly veiled attempt to promote your own, some would say, corrupt agenda

Mr Pete care in telling us your thinly veiled attempt in discrediting me in favour of foul mouth individuals?
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Postby Svetlana » Mon Feb 26, 2007 3:44 pm

I have been out of the country for the weekend and come back to, literally, 100s of new posts, which I do not have time to back track over.
What I have seen, disappointly, reflects that some have chosen to ignore Admin's request for people to act like adults and post in an appropriate manner.

From tomorrow, I will resort to deleting posts without explanation and will bring to Admin's notice Forum members who feel this is the place to denegrate others. I refuse to let the thoughts and ideas of those truly dedicated to the future of Cyprus, be lost in a mire of childish insults.

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Postby reportfromcyprus » Mon Feb 26, 2007 3:54 pm

Svetlana wrote:I have been out of the country for the weekend and come back to, literally, 100s of new posts, which I do not have time to back track over.
What I have seen, disappointly, reflects that some have chosen to ignore Admin's request for people to act like adults and post in an appropriate manner.

From tomorrow, I will resort to deleting posts without explanation and will bring to Admin's notice Forum members who feel this is the place to denegrate others. I refuse to let the thoughts and ideas of those truly dedicated to the future of Cyprus, be lost in a mire of childish insults.

Lana


Hear, hear.

Childish, intolerant and in the final analysis, only appealing to the worst-case, basest, knee-jerk nationalist tendencies in our communities.

Although everyone's entitled to their opinion, I don't condone the swearing and insults. The minute someone starts with the insults, it's usually to distract attention from a relevant point against their argument.
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Postby pitsilos » Mon Feb 26, 2007 4:00 pm

yes but Mr Pete by the sounds condones it.
As for swearing, I do not think it should necessarily be banned because

but he did give a couple of lame excuses in his defence though. read his posts for the excuses.

i totally agree foul mouth obsenities should be outlawed.

I have been out of the country for the weekend and come back to, literally, 100s of new posts, which I do not have time to back track over.


Lana with no disrespect, coz of the unrewarding nature of the beast this forum needs 3 mods, as to atleast enchances the chances of moderation by 3 fold.

yes and if a vacancy is available I will volunteer to do it, while refraining from posting comments at the same time. you only gotta see the waff to understand moderation.
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Postby devil » Mon Feb 26, 2007 6:57 pm

pitsilos wrote:an apology or withdrawal of your comment will be highly appreciated devil.


Not likely. I made no ad hominem attack on any individual subscribing to this board. I cannot be held responsible if you believe the cap fits.

You may perhaps observe that my post was not specifically directed against bad language but also provocative and inflammatory content, specifically designed to rile those with an opposing view. Others appear to obtain pleasure by responding, and so it starts again. I'm not mentioning any names, but I'm sure you understand what I mean, very well.

Going back to the language question, yes, it is easy to automatically remove properly spelt words, but there are too many synonyms, sometimes using different vowels or symbols. In any case, the authors of these obscenities would probably get as much distorted pleasure at seeing xxxx or whatever, because it would be quite clear what is meant.

In my opinion, this board would best be served by attempting to find the common points between the communities, rather than emphasising the differences. This is a quasi-insoluble problem and taking an attitude that everything apparently originating from the other side of the green line must be wrong is very short-sighted. It is exactly this attitude that perpetuates the problem. I would welcome civil discussion, but what I often see here makes me want to puke.

Lana

Thank you for your continuing support towards a civilised discussion.
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Postby Pete_D » Tue Feb 27, 2007 1:27 am

Pitsilos,

You know what, I was totally hacked off with you earlier. In fact I was even considering opening a bank account in order to save up enough money to pay for someone to pop a cap in your head.

But right now, I just don't give a monkey's chuff. I'm just totally apathetic to all this rubbish that goes on here now.

Tonight I've had to say goodbye to someone very special to me who I won't see again for what might be a long time. And that just puts all this sh!te that goes on round here into perspective.

I really hope I can summon up enough energy to post you a decent reply, but then again in some ways I really hope that I can find something better to do in life because there's so much more to life than talking cack on here. It's not like it achieves anything anyway!

Then again, you probably have nothing else to do and you probably don't have anyone special in life that you care about, or miss. If that's the case then I'm truly sorry for you.

Like I say, one day I might respond something decent to you (although Devil has already covered part of it).... or maybe I won't. I might even take a break from this forum over the next few days, or maybe forever. I really don't know and right now I really don't care either.

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Postby pitsilos » Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:13 am

Mr Pete

You know what, I was totally hacked off with you earlier. In fact I was even considering opening a bank account in order to save up enough money to pay for someone to pop a cap in your head.

Allow me to clarify this thread in case you are incapable of understanding the essence of it. It’s about offering solutions to the continuous trolling and swearing that goes on in the posts. Just so you know. Your comments are exactly as to why the forum has a problem Mr Pete, or should I call you Mr Troll. I say troll because in both of your posts, you’ve managed to personalize the thread with attacks on me with what you might call another pointless post. I say pointless because you personalized the issue and with hollow rhetoric with no suggestions.

But right now, I just don't give a monkey's chuff. I'm just totally apathetic to all this rubbish that goes on here now

Then why bother replying? Would it then be a case of more trolling? So you can get a nasty response out of me so you can turn around and say, see he can’t help himself. Well good luck with this one Mr Troll.

Tonight I've had to say goodbye to someone very special to me who I won't see again for what might be a long time. And that just puts all this sh!te that goes on round here into perspective.

Let me remind you, again, Mr Pete, this thread is about trolling and swearing and not about the inner workings of your pitiful little mind as to who you had to say goodbye. No one here gives a rats ass as to who you said goodbye. Save it and say it in broken hearts are for @@@@@@@@ forum.

I really hope I can summon up enough energy to post you a decent reply, but then again in some ways I really hope that I can find something better to do in life because there's so much more to life than talking cack on here. It's not like it achieves anything anyway!

Don’t bother Mr Pete you already have said enough irrelevant things in this same thread along with your first post, with your incoherent jungle noises. You came, you criticized and offered no solutions. Your first post is a testament to this, straight out personal and continued with the second one. And may I ask you, if it achieves nothing, and this is your thoughts, then, what the hell are you doing here? Trolling perhaps?

Then again, you probably have nothing else to do and you probably don't have anyone special in life that you care about, or miss. If that's the case then I'm truly sorry for you.

This is none of your god damn business Mr Pete, and frankly try and debate the issue at hand rather than taking the immature trolling attitude, expecting a reaction, and criticizing others as who they are or who misses them. Just for your information and to satisfy your trolling appetite, i am happily married, 2 grown up daughters, a lot of family around, run a my own international business, and yes, your typical Cypriot. Something an anglo would never understand as the typical anglo culture, as they say in Cypriot, pedkia to laou, rabbit family, with a thank you maam attitude.

Like I say, one day I might respond something decent to you (although Devil has already covered part of it).... or maybe I won't. I might even take a break from this forum over the next few days, or maybe forever. I really don't know and right now I really don't care either.

Don’t bother Mr Pete, I really don’t give a rats ass form someone that came to this thread to troll rather to offer suggestions as I have. Yes a break is what you need but I don’t think is from the forum.
Allow me to remind you again and in short Mr Pete, this thread is how to overcome trolling and swearing and by the looks you failed at both fronts, because with both of your posts you have managed to personalize both issues at hand, via insulting and trolling. Got the point Mr Pete?

PS. do not bother replying with more trolling and insulting, unless you clearly comprehend that issue at hand.

Goodbye Sir

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Postby raymanuva » Tue Feb 27, 2007 7:55 am

Kick Fanourios...
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Postby GAVCARoCOM » Tue Feb 27, 2007 9:18 am

Any reason?
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Postby andri_cy » Tue Feb 27, 2007 6:35 pm

You guys are even using THIS thread to fight... Amazing.
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