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[Saint Jimmy]

I have this feeling like people would have voted differently, had they known what was to come.

The scenario is as follows: we have returned to April 24, 2004. Everything is exactly the same, except for one thing; we know what happened in the original 24 April 2004, as well as what happened during the following 8 months.

My impression is that TCs may feel 'betrayed' by GCs, and GCs may feel that this 'we are getting into the EU so we'll be stronger' deal has proven a scam. Meaning, some people would have voted differently.

Could I be right?

P.S.: I can't stress the word 'may' enough.

[boulio]

I have this feeling like people would have voted differently, had they known what was to come

what came?

you guys make it sound as if destruction has come on cyprus,if anything a new plan is coming that will actually be negotiated this time.

[turkcyp]

I have chosen the option which says
"voted 'yes' would have voted 'no'"

But I do believe the question and options should have been different.

Knowing what I know now, I am glad that I have voted 'yes' (so I guess I would not have changed my vote), at least we are not the ones to be blamed for non solution this time.

But if there was another referandum right now on the exact same plan, I would have vote 'no', because I do not anymore believe the sincerety of the GCs.

[brother]

For a plan to be negotiated both parties must want solution, and we know tassos does not he just pretends that he does, i tell you what will happen, tassos will go to the table refuse everything then come out and lie to you all that he tried and he will have to use his veto.

[Piratis]

Jimmy, a poll has been made about 1-2 months ago by a TV channel. It showed that less than 5% changed their mind regarding the Annan plan.

[Saint Jimmy]

Jimmy, a poll has been made about 1-2 months ago by a TV channel. It showed that less than 5% changed their mind regarding the Annan plan.

Oh, wasn't aware of that.

But still, 1-2 months ago was before the EU summit...

[Saint Jimmy]

what came?

I agree that things haven't been as bad as the Yes camp said it would be before the referendum.

I have a question though, one which I guess will remain unanswered forever, and we can only speculate as to 'what if':

Do you not think that our credibility internationally has deteriorated substantially since the referendum? I mean, for example, Cyprus got into the EU as representing the entire island! Now, that was not something that could have been expected beyond reasonable doubt, was it? I think one of the reasons it did happen was because we managed to convince (almost) the entire world that we really, sincerely do seek a solution. Is that not on very, very shaky grounds right now?

Another example regards the EU summit. If we maintained the image we had pre-referenda, do you believe that the outcome of the summit would have been the same? I believe we would have been taken far more into consideration, as a country with valid demands, our size not withstanding, just like we had been till then.

What do you think concerning these two examples?

[Piratis]

When did we say that we will accept just any "solution" they offer to us?

The "good boy" tactics of Vassiliou, Cleredes were a total failure, and had as a result the Annan partition plan.
At least with Papadopoulos we managed to save what we could, otherwise today Cyprus would have been officially partitioned with our signature, we would be bankrupt, and we would be citizens of second category.

[boulio]

Do you not think that our credibility internationally has deteriorated substantially since the referendum?why because the us,GREAT BRITAIN AND ANNAN,turkey say so.

the US and great britains credibility is not the rosiest right know around the world either,as for annan he should worry for about the oil for food scandal with Iraq and leave the ROC alone,his credibility is not the greatest either,as for turkey that will take to long to write.

Another example regards the EU summit. If we maintained the image we had pre-referenda, do you believe that the outcome of the summit would have been the same? I believe we would have been taken far more into consideration, as a country with valid demands, our size not withstanding, just like we had been till then.


the eu summit they were demanding that erdogan sign the protocol there,if he had done that there would have been a army welcoming party once he arrived back in ankara.

[Saint Jimmy]

When did we say that we will accept just any "solution" they offer to us?

The "good boy" tactics of Vassiliou, Cleredes were a total failure, and had as a result the Annan partition plan.
At least with Papadopoulos we managed to save what we could, otherwise today Cyprus would have been officially partitioned with our signature, we would be bankrupt, and we would be citizens of second category.

We never did...

You lost me. Who said we said that?

Wait... the 'good boy' tactics never got around to getting any results! The only time that really happened was in Copenhagen with Annan 3.
Otherwise, Clerides lost the elections and didn't finish what he started (the logic being that there was room for improvement in the Switzerland talks, but Tassos kicked it away... Clerides would have at least taken something in exchange for all the things we gave away, anyway).

Methinks that if Clerides had a chance to go the whole way, the plan would have been different and we'd be talking about something else. Annan 5 is what Tassos got us, not Clerides.