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[brother]

I have like many of you been following the cyprus issue all my life, we have our ups and downs but this last referandum done a lot of damage to the South and at the moment are just able to keep their heads above water, internationally you was condemed for the infamous 'oxi' vote and are seen as the ones who do not want solution.(the reasons for you 'oxi' vote has been debated to the death)
On the other hand you have the TRNC who said 'yes' and is now seen very favourable by the international community.
Now current politics demand that the two sides come up with a plan and go to referandum again but this time if the same result is achieved again, i believe the south will become the lepers of europe and many countries will break ranks and officially recognise the North.
Hence the debate is what do you guys think, is there merit in my thoughts or am i missing something, you guys tell me.

[Saint Jimmy]

Well, the scenario sounds fairly logical, although this one point popped up in my head while considering it.

Kofi Annan stated in his report to the SC that he recommends lifting the trade sanctions on the TRNC.

It has been argued that the report in question has been prepared, for the most part, by Alvaro De Soto.

It is no secret that Tassos would gladly strangle Mr. De Soto, if he thought he could get away with it.

Returning to the original point, we haven't yet seen any real progress on the sanction lifting issue, nor on the direct flights one, although the US and the UK are in favour of that, too

Could it be, then, that this recommendation was not a real one, and that it was just inserted in the report by De Soto for reasons other than his sincere belief that the sanctions should, indeed, be lifted? I mean, if the Secretary General wants it to happen, the States want it to happen, the UK wants it to happen, what's stopping them?

[boulio]

a russian veto,maybe even a chinese veto.

[brother]

At a guess they are prepering the ground for it by letting people get used to the idea soas the negative impact on the gc is less if they are expecting it.
Also the scenario i have drawn will not happen in 5 mins. but it will be suggested at first, then some will threaten to do it, and then it will just become.

In other words i think its just smart arse politics ensuring it is a smoother ride by letting people get used to the idea before it becomes official.

[turkcyp]

Lifting of the sanctions to TRNC does not mean that TRNC is recognized as a sovereign country. Look Taiwan, or what Turkey will give RoC before October 3.

Defacto recognition is not the same as legal recognition. The whole world has been trading with Taiwan for as many yeasr as I can remember. The same whole world, do not recognize Taiwan as a seperate soeverign country.

Definitions, definitions.....

[boulio]

unfortunatly the eu has already closed the door on that one,the occupied territories will not be consider like a taiwain model.the north is EU territory with EU LAWS and regulations suspended to a future date.see when the eu makes lucrative trade and customs deals with third party countries such as it did with turkey in 1995,all members most agree.so lets say egypt starts trading with the north of cyprus and then applies for a customs union deal with the eu,guess what there not going to get it.the only person that can lift the sactions on the north is the ROC THATS WHY IT HASENT BEEN done yet.

[Alexandros Lordos]

I mean, if the Secretary General wants it to happen, the States want it to happen, the UK wants it to happen, what's stopping them?

I think they are all trying to buy time and see if another chance at solving the Cyprus Problem will arise ...

They are well aware that if they start walking the TRNC recognition path, even de facto, the TCs might lose one of their major motivations for re-unification ... (i.e. the motive of escaping international isolation).

So they hesitate, in the hope that new negotiations for a comprehensive settlement can begin in 2005, with the TCs still isolated and therefore motivated as they were last year...

Furthermore, they probably want to keep the lifting of sanctions as a bargaining chip, with which to blackmail GCs when negotiations recommence ...

Face it, people: They are playing with us - with all of us...

[boulio]

guys i understanfd that you want trade and prosperity for the north,however there are rules,regulations,and resolutions that will not allow it to happen.thats why only a agreed solution by both communites will allow this to happen.turkey has been trying for years and has gotten nowere.

[insan]

Actually, imposing embargos upon TC community was a wrong decision but stance for not to recognize the claims of seperate state would be reasonable... The embargoes, instead of helping for reunification; rather caused negative conditions which got the solution more difficult. Besides, the majority rule, return of all refugees, no guarantorship stance of Hellen's ruling elite; completely destroyed the hopes for reunification. Now international community, slowly slowly getting aware of their mistakes although their goal is reunification of the Island, they now reconsider everything once more if there is any alternative has left for reunification. If there's any alternative left and worths for try, they will soon make a new attempt to get the result. If it fails, then the recognition of a seperate state in North will come true.

[turkcyp]

only person that can lift the sactions on the north is the ROC THATS WHY IT HASENT BEEN done yet.

That is why we do not believe the sincerety of our negotiating partner. Sad Huh.