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Israel Denies change of stance in northern cyprus

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Postby boulio » Fri Jan 07, 2005 7:37 pm

So many countries are acting illegally and doing what they want, one more or less means nothing to the international community.

really how many countries registered tankers come to t/c ports,how many british airways flights land in ercan?

what a national of a certain country does does not mean the actually country is doing,im sure there are british and canadian citizens of G/C descent buying properties in the north,does that mean that britain,canada,or the republic of cyprus are investing in the north?
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Postby turkcyp » Fri Jan 07, 2005 7:56 pm

boulio wrote:what a national of a certain country does does not mean the actually country is doing,im sure there are british and canadian citizens of G/C descent buying properties in the north,does that mean that britain,canada,or the republic of cyprus are investing in the north?


For god's sake, when did you last time see a country investing in another country directly? Tell me an instance where United Kingdon invested in RoC. Only citizens, and companies do the investing. Not the countries.

The trade and investment issue is very simple. Countries would either let citizens and companies invest and/or trade with north or not. If a country is not stopping transfer of money from its banks to north, is not prosecuting its citizens that comes to north, is not prosecuting its firms that invest in north, is not stoping the goods that are coming from north, then a country can be said to let its citizens and firms invest and trade with north.

So far very there are some restrictions on these but they are not perfect, and they are lifting the remaining ones as times goes by as I see it.

For example, if the courts in UK refuse to uphold the court decision taken in south regarding the property in the north biught by that English citizen. This is an indirect free pass for English citizens to invest in north.

Anyway only time will tell us whether further restrictions will be lifted or not.

Furthemore even if all the restrictions are lifted this still does not imply that that country recognizes TRNC as a "sovering legal country". Israel my never recognize sovereignity of TRNC but it may very well let its citizens do business with north.
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Postby boulio » Fri Jan 07, 2005 8:02 pm

REALLY so the skopia petroleum that is owed by hellenic petroleum which is a state agency of greece.or the pipelines in turkey that will be carring natural gas to greece are not owed by depa a greek agency.again how many tankers and british airways flights are there coming to the north?
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Postby turkcyp » Fri Jan 07, 2005 8:24 pm

boulio wrote:REALLY so the skopia petroleum that is owed by hellenic petroleum which is a state agency of greece.or the pipelines in turkey that will be carring natural gas to greece are not owed by depa a greek agency.again how many tankers and british airways flights are there coming to the north?


All are firms. All are firms. All are firms. It does not matter if they are owned by the coutry or not. All are firms.

Plus in the world of international economics, do you really know what is teh percentage of the foreign investment performed by the country owned firms. (unless you are a communits country like Cuba, or en ex-communist coutry like Russia that ligers with making every company state owned), this percentage is very very low. I would be more than willing to accept just the private investment.

By the way, there is another way countries do invest in other countries. It is called international aid. Everytime UN invest in a road project in north, it is an indirect invetsment by the countries in UN to north. So I guess from this we can deduct that next year EU will make a huge invetsment to North by approving 327 million Euro aid package. Because this aid will be used by the municipalities that you deem "pseudo" to invets in infrastructure of the north.
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Postby boulio » Fri Jan 07, 2005 8:31 pm

the are firms owed by the state many times in great percenatage.


I guess from this we can deduct that next year EU will make a huge invetsment to North by approving 327 million Euro aid package. Because this aid will be used by the municipalities that you deem "pseudo" to invets in infrastructure of the north.


im all for this aid to the north, i dont deem them pseudo,but a community as everyone else does except for turkey.
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Postby erolz » Sat Jan 08, 2005 1:20 am

boulio wrote:if they dont recognize ,most likely they will not trade with them.on a individuel basis everyone is free to do whatever.


Not exactly the case. The EU trade emargoes against the north for example are embargoes against accepting imports into the EU from the TRNC. There are no embargoes stopping EU countires and companies selling to or in the TRNC (or investing in it).
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Postby boulio » Sat Jan 08, 2005 5:29 am

im not sure about that erolz,but the eu policies i think many times goes step in step with UN secutity resolutions,so it may deepend on what they state.
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