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[shahmaran]

no VP maybe we should go back 2000 years and wage war upon the jews for killing jesus, its about time justice took place!!

They are unbelievable they want to go back to a time when we were not even attempting to fordge a partnership. 1960 was when we had the only opportunity to create a united Cyprus but they admantly refuse this starting point as it does not serve their purpose when trying to lay the blame on anyone and everyone but themselves.

yes and now, WE are the bad guys and WE are the thieves, we mustn't be allowed to fly directly to our country, people shouldn't be making TV programs about moving to the TRNC, people shouldn't be putting any money into the TRNC just in case we develop, people should only refer to the TRNC with quotations! it all suits them very well when it comes to treating the other half of the island like dirt while ignoring the portion of history that doesnt suit them, but boasting around words like human rights and freedom and equality and compatriotism, at the same time?! come on man!...and then the guy turns around and says "its a lost argument and we should be facing the truth" , what truth? the Greek truth or the historical truth?

makes me utterly sick i tell you...

SHah you can fly directly to your country. Larnaca is a very reliable airport. Fact is that the TRNC will stay in inverted coma's because it is an illegal state. Thhe fa t that there is property that belongs to other people over there also creates the issue that investment in the north might lead the buyer into acquiring property that was not the sellers property to sell in the first place..(a basic principle in property law.)

I'd be happy to discuss any period you see fit and find the faults of the one and the faults of the other but what would be the point? I know i'm right and you know you're right.

I propose unification, you prefer partition. You are getting what you want now but because it is done...(this is the most important part here) without my consent as well you will be faced with the difficulties you describe above. ANd I will keep talking about my human rights being violated and about the lack of freedom i enjoy in my own state. I am denied these rights just as you are denied other rights.

It'll go on and on, until we both agree or until a time it won't matter anymore.

Larnaca i cant fly to, first of all its not my country, secondly I'm forced to pick up a RoC passport in order to do so, which I'm seriously refusing to do!

Yes your property is still there but who is to say they are selling YOUR property, thousands of new properties are being built everyday, you don't own ALL of the island but as retaliation, you are more than happy to block ANY kind of investment to be done for the TRNC what so ever, so i think you are simply asking for a LOT more than you (we) deserve, simply because, you can!

You are not thinking "oh but there are other Cypriots living there who need to get on with their lives" you are simply choosing to create a barrier in front of everyone who lives there (ie. what Jerry is trying to achieve), whether they are TCs, settlers, immigrants or tourists, simply because they choose TRNC over the RoC, THIS my friend goes WAY beyond what you are claiming to be "your right", which hardly goes beyond the loss of some properties, so its not a surprise that people like me (and many others) still refuse to pick up your passport. Therefore lets not even begin to compare our "denial of rights" because it would be a very unfair comparison!

I'm from Lefke and so is my mum, and my dad is from Karpaz (and both of their parents and their parents), we have never moved, nor took over any other properties and ALL of our land and businesses are in the TRNC. But i feel that the RoC is deliberately trying to remove and invalidate ALL of my options for me to work, live and pursue a normal/free life, and that is in order to leave me with no choice but the RoC...not a chance my friend!! so excuse my bitter attitude towards the bastards but I'm not going anywhere and definitely not flying into Larnaca...

However none of this means I'm a partitionist, it means I'm born into this state of conflict and I'm trying to survive as best as i can without deserting my country and my ethnicity, because for me the RoC is liturally another country, so if we all can and will live together as equals of Cyprus, then fine, but I'm not going to settle for anything less not even slightly, instead i rather continue as i am!!

shah you seem to be an innocent bystander in this conflict my friend with only the patriotic and the "let me get on with my life" feelings to deal with. I being a refugee with lost property...(father from karpaz and mother from morphou with my house in morphou) have more in my mind.

right! i dont have a house which is being held hostage, but i do have to live my life under isolations, you should give it a try sometime, its very sublte and pretty effective in drying out the people, culture and creativity...

[the_snake_and_the_crane]

Haha...your blaming Greek Cypriots for the dwindling Turkish Cypriot culture where anyone with half a brian knows that such a factor comes down to the heavy influx of mainland Turks into the north of the island.

Dont blame Greek Cypriots, blame members of your community like VP who have openly stated they care nothing for the TC culture is it means nothing to them, unlike the broader Turkish culture from the mainland.

The longer TC carry on living in a fools paradise, the sooner the Turkish Cypriot culture will die out. Im sorry that you dont want to hear this, but if you want TC culture to survive in Cyprus, you need a united democratic Cyprus more than you need people from Anatolia running the breakaway state you live in.

[shahmaran]

yeah you are absolutely right, it was Turkey who drove out hundreds of thousands of TCs, and its Turkey that is constantly running all the propaganda to declare north unexistant, and its also Turkey that vetos or protests any minute investment or recognition that might reach the TRNC.

dam man, all this time how could i never see it, thanks for opening my eyes with things i have never heard before snake... i know what to do, i should just run to the south, burn the TRNC and Turkish flag, and beg for help and mercy, maybe they can even give me a Greek name too

[the_snake_and_the_crane]

Have it your way - but you will have no one to blame but yourself when in 50 years time, the Turkish Cypriot culture in Cyprus will cease to exist.

[shahmaran]

Have it your way - but you will have no one to blame but yourself when in 50 years time, the Turkish Cypriot culture in Cyprus will cease to exist.

yeah thanx, ill keep that in mind, but meanwhile, do you have any real suggestions?

[BirKibrisli]

Turkey will sell you down the river, she will settle for 20% of the island in order to gain admission to the EU and legally keep troops there, you will become a Turkish province and in a few generations Turkish Cypriots will have all but disappeared from Cyprus.

Don't bet on that ,Jerry...

Thousands of Real Turkish Cypriots will return to live in the RoC,and even if we don't Turkish Cypriot culture will live on in our compatriots,the Greek Cypriots, who by then will call themselves just Cypriots...

[tessintrnc]

With regards TC culture and identity being lost - in fact the second generation "Settlers" are adopting more of the TC culture - not many young girls wear a headscarf for instance and being educated in TC schools they have actually adapted more of the culture rather than "replaced" it with the Turkish mainland culture - they learn Cypriot folk dances and songs - they are PART of this community, and yes maybe they spice their "sucuk" more than the Cypriots, but in effect these young people are more Cypriot than Turk and their children and children's children will definitely be Cypriot in their outlook and dedication to the country.
Tess

[pitsilos]

you are making cypriots sorta speak?

then we can assume, with all this power you will be able to assimilate the gcs in record time. especially since according to the vips, plural, we have stolen everything. i would say you are halfway there, wouldn'you?

[Viewpoint]

no VP maybe we should go back 2000 years and wage war upon the jews for killing jesus, its about time justice took place!!

They are unbelievable they want to go back to a time when we were not even attempting to fordge a partnership. 1960 was when we had the only opportunity to create a united Cyprus but they admantly refuse this starting point as it does not serve their purpose when trying to lay the blame on anyone and everyone but themselves.

VP, 1960 was probably the worst time to start a partnership. EOKA and TMT had been killing Cypriots, the TC police had been torturing Greek Cypriots, the British had deliberately divided the two communities and Turkey had just thrown tens of thousands of Greeks out of Istanbul. With little or no goodwill emanating from either side the ROC was doomed from the start and Turkey knew that one day Greek fascists would provoke an intervention.
I don't want partition but I see it as inevitable.
Turkey will sell you down the river, she will settle for 20% of the island in order to gain admission to the EU and legally keep troops there, you will become a Turkish province and in a few generations Turkish Cypriots will have all but disappeared from Cyprus.

But that partnership was to brought about due the difficult times we were going through and incorporates a lot of criteria aimed at combating problems faced by Cypriots. It was a chance to build a united Cyprus which just slipped us by due to hidden agendas which as created the situation we are in today.

Why does Turkey selling us out or Turkish Cypriots disappearing concern you so much isn't that for us to worry about or do you GCs feel it is a way of scaring us into running to the south and saying accept us so we can disappear into the GC population. This argument put forward by GCs is getting so repetitive it seems to be on automatic pilot and is not effective in any way. With countries becoming so multicultural this argument is so outdated and uniting with our origins is not such a bad deal, get over it we have.

[BirKibrisli]

You don't seem to get it,pitsilo...

Viewpoints,plural ,are happy to live in a multicultural country as long as all the cultures are Turkish...got it now?