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[Pyrpolizer]

Well I think it’s about time I raise my foot.

Observer’s opinion that over time things tend to stay the same is true assuming there are no other factors involved.

However the Cyprob is a dynamic case and it only needs a little spark to turn everything upside down. It is still dynamic from the side of the GC refugees who wait for the day they will recover from their loss on property, from the TC refugees who wait for the same, as well as for the total of TCs who wait for a normal life out of isolation due to occupation.
I personally haven’t nociced any loss of dynamic all those 33 years…

So according to the factors involved this dynamic may change everything. Remember from 1974-2002 we had the Turkish dogma that the Cyprob was solved in 1974 and Denktash;s idea that all that’s left is compensations, shaking of hands, and agreed partition. Cyprus’s EU accession changed this dogma from partition to agreed unification…

Even if the situation remains as it is today, the possibility for recognition of the occupied areas from the superpowers (how about the EU?) is nil. The possibility of even just one side proposing partition is nil as well. The possibility for the GCs to agree on partition less than nil. The possibility of the Gcs or their inheridors to accept losing their properties nil as well (too much money).
What will perhaps change is the already small percentage of GCs/Tcs willing to return in case of a solution. But this does not mean they will forget about their existing or to be inherited properties…

In the forseable future we have the following factors that will definetely spark up the dynamic once again. I don’t see anyone sparking it towards partition though.

a)Turkeys EU road
b0Turkeys final step to either full membership or special relation.
b)Petrol in the south seas (estimated to start getting pumped out in about 7 years)
c)EU trying to slowly take over economic factors affecting the occupied areas
d)Elections in Turkey and Presidential elections in RoC.

[Viewpoint]

I was not going to contribute to this thread for the reason that the answer to Kikapus original question is so simple, lets remind ourselves of exactly what he asked;

So Viewpoint, please tell us, from where we are today, how will "you" achieve the following, by taking 37% of Cyprus


a) Partition
b) Annexation by Turkey

(a) Happened in 1974
(b) Has partially occured and can result in total annexation if Turkey is forced into a corner by the GCs via the EU

Now if you had made your question clearer and I am anticipating that what you meant is how will you gain recognition of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus. There is no blue print or national cause to get the TRNC recognized at the current time but the dynamics which we have all experienced over the past 33 years clearly show that we will continue as we. The Gcs will arrogantly maintain their alienating ideologies and although they will not admit it are our best option for recognition as they display a knack for showing the world the traits that they only care for themselves being the GC and no one else, which quite nicely back up our arguements as to why unification will be a difficult and dangerous choice considering the mentality of the current GC leadership and it electorate with their despot attitude and uninnovative viewpoints on finding a solution where all Cypriots may live work and play together. Not having the option of a sincere GC perspective for a solution we for our part will continue to try and reduce the effect of the embargoes using the same dynamic which the Gcs thought would bring them the solution giving them all they demand the EU itself (Go Ms Merkel ). The TCs at best imo will not pursue recognition but economic development and the lack of GC desire for a soluiton will in 30 50 100 years time take the north towards recognition, the 45% of the GCs youth no longer wanting to uite is a clear indication of the future and should not be dismissed.

Annexation with Turkey will only happen if Turkey is put in a corner and needs to take drastic action to resolve matters so when the GCs zealously pursue getting even with Turkey they could be signing away forever the north and the next time they wish to go to Kyrenia they will have to have to fo through Turkey immigration control not ours.

Lets just take Pyros comments out of interest...

We have Piratis waiting for a swing in power and now we have Pyro waiting for a spark ignited by the following dynamics;

a)Turkeys EU road

Which has slowed down and is likely to ground to a halt you all saw who she chose the TRNC over opening ports, how many of you argued differently? even I thought she would have to open her ports. That shows you how commiited she is to the north.

b0Turkeys final step to either full membership or special relation.

At best 15/20 years away but you have to get through the chapters which are hardly going well and are nore like to stop all together.

b)Petrol in the south seas (estimated to start getting pumped out in about 7 years)

Dont count your chickens before they hatch we to can find oil will that take us closer to recognition?

c)EU trying to slowly take over economic factors affecting the occupied areas

The TRNC will not allow the EU that freedom and will dictate what it wants and what it doesnt. You watch and see how things will develop over the coming years and how much influence they will have, you have to do what they say as you are in the EU we dont because we are not, that a major difference.

d)Elections in Turkey and Presidential elections in RoC.

You pray for Erdogan to stay because the alternatives will not be in your favor and we will pray for you to get rid of Mr Big nose Tasos but I cannot see any better alternative amongst the GCs either.

[humanist]

Hookers, though some hookers often become madam's by socialising with the right gentry. I say look at the south and look at the north look at south's aleagiance and look at the north's ..... if I wanted to become a madam I know which gentry I would socialise and hold allegiance with and that is called RoC / EU. If I chose Turkey I would be a glorified whore in the slums of London.

[humanist]

Everyday that goes by without behaving as Unified people's the reality is turkish speaking cyp's a disadvantaged further, socially, educationally, health and not to mention economically.

I suggest that we move to the constitution and Mr Talat can take the responsibility of Vice President until the new election next year.

[Kikapu]

I was not going to contribute to this thread for the reason that the answer to Kikapus original question is so simple, lets remind ourselves of exactly what he asked;

So Viewpoint, please tell us, from where we are today, how will "you" achieve the following, by taking 37% of Cyprus


a) Partition
b) Annexation by Turkey

(a) Happened in 1974
(b) Has partially occured and can result in total annexation if Turkey is forced into a corner by the GCs via the EU

Now if you had made your question clearer and I am anticipating that what you meant is how will you gain recognition of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus. There is no blue print or national cause to get the TRNC recognized at the current time but the dynamics which we have all experienced over the past 33 years clearly show that we will continue as we. The Gcs will arrogantly maintain their alienating ideologies and although they will not admit it are our best option for recognition as they display a knack for showing the world the traits that they only care for themselves being the GC and no one else, which quite nicely back up our arguements as to why unification will be a difficult and dangerous choice considering the mentality of the current GC leadership and it electorate with their despot attitude and uninnovative viewpoints on finding a solution where all Cypriots may live work and play together. Not having the option of a sincere GC perspective for a solution we for our part will continue to try and reduce the effect of the embargoes using the same dynamic which the Gcs thought would bring them the solution giving them all they demand the EU itself (Go Ms Merkel ). The TCs at best imo will not pursue recognition but economic development and the lack of GC desire for a soluiton will in 30 50 100 years time take the north towards recognition, the 45% of the GCs youth no longer wanting to uite is a clear indication of the future and should not be dismissed.

Annexation with Turkey will only happen if Turkey is put in a corner and needs to take drastic action to resolve matters so when the GCs zealously pursue getting even with Turkey they could be signing away forever the north and the next time they wish to go to Kyrenia they will have to have to fo through Turkey immigration control not ours.

Lets just take Pyros comments out of interest...

We have Piratis waiting for a swing in power and now we have Pyro waiting for a spark ignited by the following dynamics;

a)Turkeys EU road

Which has slowed down and is likely to ground to a halt you all saw who she chose the TRNC over opening ports, how many of you argued differently? even I thought she would have to open her ports. That shows you how commiited she is to the north.

b0Turkeys final step to either full membership or special relation.

At best 15/20 years away but you have to get through the chapters which are hardly going well and are nore like to stop all together.

b)Petrol in the south seas (estimated to start getting pumped out in about 7 years)

Dont count your chickens before they hatch we to can find oil will that take us closer to recognition?

c)EU trying to slowly take over economic factors affecting the occupied areas

The TRNC will not allow the EU that freedom and will dictate what it wants and what it doesnt. You watch and see how things will develop over the coming years and how much influence they will have, you have to do what they say as you are in the EU we dont because we are not, that a major difference.

d)Elections in Turkey and Presidential elections in RoC.

You pray for Erdogan to stay because the alternatives will not be in your favor and we will pray for you to get rid of Mr Big nose Tasos but I cannot see any better alternative amongst the GCs either.

Thanks for your contribution VP. Actually, Birkibrisli did enhance on my original question, if you want to go back a page or two. So in essence, the whole recognition/ partition/annexation in your view, is to play with time, and time will take care of everything.

So lets suppose it will take another 33 years to get recognition (not sure by whom exactly), and with economic embargoes lasting as long, what kind of place the "TRNC" will be I wonder, in comparison to the RoC, and what will that do to the "level playing field" to get the 2 sides together, even in a 2 state 1 country solution. Further more, don't you think, that if all possibilities of a unified Cyprus came to an end, that there will be some "militant" actions against the "TRNC". The reason why I mention that, is because of Israel and Palestine situation. As powerful as Israel is Militarily, I think the citizens of Israel, are always on their toes. You know my stance, which is 2 states 1 country, so I hope we can achieve that, before anything else bad happens.

[Viewpoint]

Hookers, though some hookers often become madam's by socialising with the right gentry. I say look at the south and look at the north look at south's aleagiance and look at the north's ..... if I wanted to become a madam I know which gentry I would socialise and hold allegiance with and that is called RoC / EU. If I chose Turkey I would be a glorified whore in the slums of London.

both do the same job sell their bodies for money..only one gets paid more.

[Viewpoint]

Everyday that goes by without behaving as Unified people's the reality is turkish speaking cyp's a disadvantaged further, socially, educationally, health and not to mention economically.
.

I disagree, we may be worse off than the south but we are on a par with other EU countires and even better than some, when you take things in perspective the south is worse of than other EU and non EU nations.... so does that make thm any less happy knowing that?

With or without the souths help we will improve on all levels its just one will take longer but when we arrive if its without the souths help and hinderence dont expect us to look to positively at any sort of union.

I suggest that we move to the constitution and Mr Talat can take the responsibility of Vice President until the new election next year.

You need to talk to your leaders they do not think like you as sharing anything with TCs is not their priority.

[growuptcs]

viewpoint:

You need to talk to your leaders they do not think like you as sharing anything with TCs is not their priority.

What are they sharing with us that they're not willing to share with you? Please explain so I can understand why you feel so victim.

[BirKibrisli]

Kikapu...

The fact that VP didn't know about my post in which I tried to expand on your original question,which was not that far away from your original post, is another definite proof that there are more than One Viewpoints... Don't you think?

[Viewpoint]

viewpoint:

You need to talk to your leaders they do not think like you as sharing anything with TCs is not their priority.

What are they sharing with us that they're not willing to share with you? Please explain so I can understand why you feel so victim.

If you read what humanist wrote about sharing power you would not have asked this question.

When you refer to us do you mean the GC people? if you do then question your leaders, if you feel they are not providing you what you require. My perspective is that if your leadership believe in a BBF solution they can take measures towards this by sharing recognition and striking a political balance as the first stage of BBF is in place the 2 states are defined and operative.