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[Kikapu]

Love to know where all that money is going actually... .

VP,

This is the statement you made, regarding where all the money is going from the Drugs, Casinos and Prostitution, if in fact, the huge amount of money that we are talking about, in the hands of the Mafia.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but did you not say couple of days ago, that one can buy anything in the "TRNC" with embargo or not and the latest fad, was in fact, flat screen TV's. Of course, I must not forget to also mentioned, which you very proudly made the claim, that a BMW in the "TRNC" were being honoured for having sold the most cars there, in the whole of Middle East.

Can you explain to us, how on earth, an isolated part of Cyprus with 250,000 people with hardly any trade to speak off, can afford all these luxury items. Is it perhaps possible, that the claim of Mafia Operation in the "TRNC" is very real, and that money is coming down the "pipe line", to most people working for the Government and the Military. I ask you, because you live there, and you can afford to be on the Internet as long as you want, when the average person cannot be making more than £500 Pounds a month, and yet, designer clothes, flat screen TV's, and BMW's are selling like "Hot Cakes", and lets not forget all those " BIG VILLAS".

Life must be good in the "TRNC" these days.

You have finally reached your "level playing field".

Go TC's I say.

[Viewpoint]

Love to know where all that money is going actually... .

VP,

This is the statement you made, regarding where all the money is going from the Drugs, Casinos and Prostitution, if in fact, the huge amount of money that we are talking about, in the hands of the Mafia.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but did you not say couple of days ago, that one can buy anything in the "TRNC" with embargo or not and the latest fad, was in fact, flat screen TV's. Of course, I must not forget to also mentioned, which you very proudly made the claim, that a BMW in the "TRNC" were being honoured for having sold the most cars there, in the whole of Middle East.

Can you explain to us, how on earth, an isolated part of Cyprus with 250,000 people with hardly any trade to speak off, can afford all these luxury items. Is it perhaps possible, that the claim of Mafia Operation in the "TRNC" is very real, and that money is coming down the "pipe line", to most people working for the Government and the Military. I ask you, because you live there, and you can afford to be on the Internet as long as you want, when the average person cannot be making more than £500 Pounds a month, and yet, designer clothes, flat screen TV's, and BMW's are selling like "Hot Cakes", and lets not forget all those " BIG VILLAS".

Life must be good in the "TRNC" these days.

You have finally reached your "level playing field".

Go TC's I say.

If this is the case then the Mafia is related to Turkey not the TRNC, the revenues imo would go to Turkey and Turkey in turn supports the TRNC economically. WE TCs have always argued that Turkey gets lot more from the TRNC than she puts in and this would back up what we claim.

Kikapu you will have to decide for yourself the standard of living in the TRNC when you arrive, but please try to meet them and be with them to get a real impression. Even under embargoes the TCs have progressed and when the borders were opened many Gcs were suprised by this fact and not what they were told by their propaganda system. You may mock but these are your people and you should really be fighting their corner as you have not put forward one arguements that supports us, this to me is very strange and does not reflect a true TC.

[Viewpoint]

Just give me the name of EVEN ONE place that sells drugs.

As for prostitution it is still done with a closed circle system. If a total stranger enters a night club asking for a woman they will most certainly refuse. In you Kazinos however women are dvertised as a bonus for anyone who bets more than 500 pounds. See the difference?

As for Milocevich, can you seriously reject any countrys money transfers? Can we TODAY reject Tony Blairs deposits in Cyprus? Milocevich was still a respected leader when he sent money here...

Please we are not children....you can fool some of the people some of the time but not all the people all of the time.

You have night clubs there with prostitutes and you can get drugs there. I will ask my Gc friend the names and get back to you.

I am waiting with GREAT interest for your reply. Careful though this will be a test for YOU. You have been warned.

Read these articles;

Will Cyprus be sanctioned for prostitution and human trafficking?
By By George Psyllides
(archive article - Thursday, February 3, 2005)
THE chief of police yesterday played down reports concerning the possibility of sanctions imposed on Cyprus for prostitution and human trafficking.

According to a report in yesterday’s Phileleftheros, US officials were on the island to look into what the state was doing regarding the matter.

Last year, the US put Cyprus on a ‘watch list’ for showing a lack of effort in combating human trafficking.

Although human trafficking has been rampant on the island for well over a decade, US embassy officials said they have not had enough evidence until now to include the island on its ‘Trafficking in Persons’ (TIP) report, which was first launched in 2000.

The TIP report covers 140 countries and is divided into categories. Tier 1, which includes mostly European states, are those where trafficking is big business, but where the authorities pull out all the stops to combat it. Tier 1 has 25 countries including South Korea, Morocco, Ghana and Taiwan.

Countries in the Tier 2 category, which has 54 states, are those where trafficking is rife but authorities are making significant efforts to combat it and have shown progress since the previous report. It includes Cyprus, Afghanistan and Iran. Tier 3 countries, where the US says nothing is being done include North Korea, Cuba and Sudan.

Cyprus has been categorised in the report’s ‘Tier 2 Watch List’, along with Greece, Turkey, Nigeria, Russia, Pakistan, the Congo and another 35 countries.

Police chief Tasos Panayiotou said yesterday: “I think we are over-stressing something, which is not a phenomenon unique to Cyprus.

“It is a global issue.”

Panayiotou said more importance was put on the matter than what was necessary.
“Things are not like this,” he said.

He added: “There are far worse situations, without saying that we want to underestimate the need to take measures.”

The chief said the phenomenon should be fought at every level – through legislation, by curbing the number of artistes working in cabarets and laying hard into the exploitation of women.

The report said the US officials had been briefed by the ministry of interior and the police about what the island was doing to tackle the problem.

Panayiotou said the officials were not only visiting Cyprus but were tasked to look into the situation in around 50 countries.

“That is why I am saying we are possibly over-stressing the problem – as if the Americans’ only concern was Cyprus,” he said.

On the plus side, the report said, was the creation of a refuge for women who fell victim to prostitution as well as the increase in cases investigated by the police – 91 in 2004 compared to just 10 cases the year before.

A high-ranking delegation was expected to visit the island again in March and submit its final report, Phileleftheros said.

‘Cyprus is a flesh trade destination ‘
By Alexia Saoulli

CYPRUS IS a country of destination not transit, for victims of sexual exploitation, a senior police officer said yesterday.

Inspector Rita Superman said the majority of victims were from the former Soviet Union and the Philippines.

She said: "In 2004, 66 victims were identified, with the majority from the Ukraine and Moldova. In 2005, 42 victims were identified again the majority of whom were from the Ukraine and Moldova. In 2006, following the largest police campaign to deal with the phenomenon, 81 victims of sexual exploitation were found, again from the same countries."

Of the victims identified in 2006, three had come to Cyprus as tourists, three as housemaids, three as students, five were asylum seekers, 19 worked in bars, and the remaining 47 worked in cabarets, she said.

Superman said beyond a violation of human rights, human trafficking was a form of organised crime and its profits funded other criminal activities with among other things ties to money laundering, drugs, forgery, and smuggling.

"It is a public danger for infectious diseases such as AIDS and also funds international terrorism," she said.

The officer was speaking at a seminar in Nicosia's Hilton Park on 'Action against trafficking in human beings: prevention, protection and prosecution'.

Superman said: "If it comes to your attention that people, especially cabaret artistes, are being guarded without being allowed to leave, their travel documents are withheld by their employers, that they are terrified, threatened, insulted, and violated, forced to pay expenses to middlemen or even prepay tickets before working or are forced to earn less money, are threatened with physical violence, are obliged to work for long hours and have poor living conditions, then you can think that these people are victims of human trafficking."

The inspector said the majority of culprits were unfortunately Cypriot citizens and that since 2004 there was a steady increase in the number of cases which were prosecuted, carrying a sentence of up to 15 years imprisonment.

Superman said to combat the problem the public needed to become more sensitised and greater cooperation was needed between national and international authorities.

"Among other things the police inform high risk groups that come from third countries with informative pamphlets during their registration at the aliens and migration department. The force also undertakes frequent, spot checks at establishments, and has recently issued an informative pamphlet directed at the public with the intention of reducing demand."

The police also cooperated with other state services, NGOs, and had recently introduced training programmes at the police academy on the topic.

Since 2004 the police had set up a special office to combat trafficking in human beings, which coordinated all police departments and activities that dealt with the issue, as well as interviewed victims, she said.

"The police also closely cooperates with other organisations and services both nationally and internationally. In 2006 the Cyprus police participated in 12 cases involving sexual exploitation abroad through Europol and 12 others through Interpol," she said.

Everyone is in the same boat why do you deny this? there are other articles about the rampant drug abuse in the south and soon you will have casinos.

[BirKibrisli]

Kikapu
i do not recognise the south or the north of cyprus as goverments they are puppets and the leaders of these so called goverments are traiters on the highest level and they should be tried for treason, for they do nothing to unite our cyprus in fact they reunite themselves with turkey and greece.but when you ask greece or turkey they say dont ask us ask the them as if they are independent cyprus is not independent never has been and the way they are going they never will be

Welcome to the True Cypriots Party,free- cyprus...
I have been otherwise preoccupied these last few days so this is the first time I come across one of your posts.I have no idea what your ethnic origins are,nor do I care.You feel you are or you want to be a Cypriot first,that is all I need to know to welcome you with open arms.Who knows with time people will realise that True Cypriots are in the majority in the world,and that will be the end of the Cyprus conflict.Cyprus and her people have suffered enough in the hands of the imperialist powers and our pretend "motherlands".All of you bugger off and leave us alone to get on with finding our true identities.Long Live The True Republic of Cyprus!!!!!

[DT.]

wrong post...sorry

[humanist]

Birkibrisli, firstly how are you? secondly what does your username actually mean my friend?

Nice post and you know I agree with your coments, however I think as I am understanding more of the situation of turkish speaking cypriots I am feeling more comfortable with the idea that some turkish cypriots wish to identify as turkish cypriots. though i personally feel that if we all felt cypriot just cypriot then we wouldn't feel so different to one another because as most turkish speaking cypriots feel they are brothers/ sisters and as most greek speaking cypriots feel like brothers/ sisters then in a inified cyprus where there are cypriots then they would feel like brothers/ sisters and wella no more fighting.

I have got to say though my friend, after reading some latest news and current affairs I am concluding that turkish speaking cypriots have really been suffering from all angles including the turkish occupation and turkish army rule. then you have other members of the forum some of whom i respect a lot who say they feel safe with turkish army.

I have to admit if the latest is true about the army managementof trnc, drug issues etc I really feel for the average turkish cypriot, I can see clearer as to wher you come from

[BirKibrisli]

Birkibrisli, firstly how are you? secondly what does your username actually mean my friend?

Nice post and you know I agree with your coments, however I think as I am understanding more of the situation of turkish speaking cypriots I am feeling more comfortable with the idea that some turkish cypriots wish to identify as turkish cypriots. though i personally feel that if we all felt cypriot just cypriot then we wouldn't feel so different to one another because as most turkish speaking cypriots feel they are brothers/ sisters and as most greek speaking cypriots feel like brothers/ sisters then in a inified cyprus where there are cypriots then they would feel like brothers/ sisters and wella no more fighting.

I have got to say though my friend, after reading some latest news and current affairs I am concluding that turkish speaking cypriots have really been suffering from all angles including the turkish occupation and turkish army rule. then you have other members of the forum some of whom i respect a lot who say they feel safe with turkish army.

I have to admit if the latest is true about the army managementof trnc, drug issues etc I really feel for the average turkish cypriot, I can see clearer as to wher you come from

Hello,dear humanist.
I am well thank you,just a bit preoccupied with personal matters at the moment.I am glad you and I hope others are realising that the TCs have had the worse of times,and they are really stuck between a rock and a very hard place for a long time. I met my first fellow forum member the other night in Sydney (sorry I didn't think in time to get in touch with you too) and he (Mrfromng) left me in no doubt that the TCs have been mortally wounded by what they saw as their rejection by the Greek Cypriots,meaning the rejection of the Annan Plan by the GCs.We need to see everything since that referandum in this light,and try to understand the position the TCs are in at the moment.The GCs have a lot of work to do to regain the trust of TCs,and to get them to see that they were only rejecting the AP and not their compatriots...

[BirKibrisli]

PS
Birkibrisli means A Cypriot literally.But on a deeper level in also means "One from a United Cyprus"...

[miltiades]

PS
Birkibrisli means A Cypriot literally.But on a deeper level in also means "One from a United Cyprus"...

With you all the way brother .

[observer]

askimwos

As for the total spent on casinos I don't think that anybody could check this. All I can assumme is that the central bank collate credit card transaction data that ended up in Turkey and roughly estimated the 40 million figure. Not the most accurate approach but as analysts say a good proxy as trade with Turkey is virtually does not exist

Now we're getting somewhere. I think that you are right about it being a lump figure, which a GC government figure immediately says is being spent in Casinos in the North.

Firstly, it probably does include some money spent by individuals in Turkey. Over the summer I have observed quite a few GC cars parked at the ferry terminal, their owners presumably having taken advantage of direct sailings to Turkey.

Even were all the money spent in the North. there are restaurants, shops, hotels, garages etc. and they take credit cards.

So take your pick. Either the Chairman is bad-mouthing the North and trying to make out it as a place where there is nothing but casinos (they are there but in common with many of my friends, I have never been in one - on the evidence of the quote it seems to be a GC habit JOKE)
or he is trying to give the impression that the GC government is looking at credit card statements to find those who spend money in the North.

That's my interpretation anyway.