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[Kikapu]

Kikapu,
Can you clarify your question a little bit,so you don't get answers like Observer's. Correct me if I am wrong but, you are asking how will Turkey make the Partition or Annexation recognised by the World( UN/EU/USA etc),is that right?

Well according to VP, it was the Turkish Cypriot's idea for Partition or Annexation, but yes, you're correct.

The question is, as exactly as Birkibrisli has put it.

I'm glad my staff is not on STRIKE.

Let's not forget, that the RoC, is also "EU".

[BirKibrisli]

Kikapu,
Can you clarify your question a little bit,so you don't get answers like Observer's. Correct me if I am wrong but, you are asking how will Turkey make the Partition or Annexation recognised by the World( UN/EU/USA etc),is that right?

Well according to VP, it was the Turkish Cypriot's idea for Partition or Annexation, but yes, you're correct.

The question is, as exactly as Birkibrisli has put it.

I'm glad my staff is not on STRIKE.

Let's not forget, that the RoC, is also "EU".

Remember me when you give out payrises to your staff,Kikapu...

[observer]

Kikapu wrote:

"Your answer went right over my head, as to how the Partition will be achieved. Were there any explanations of events needed or not needed to happen to reach getting a Partition. If there were, like I said, it went right over my head. Sorry."

No need to apologize. No events were given - it's just that after enough time passes, what once seemed unthinkable appears acceptable. Let a bit more time pass and what seemed acceptable moves to the category of being unthinkable to change.

The reality on the ground (forget UN resolutions and legality or otherwise) is that Cyprus is partitioned now. No one needs to do anything to 'achieve partition'. The more time that passes, the more people accept 'partition' as being normal. The pressure to stay the same becomes greater than the pressure to change.

Does anyone today want the Kaiser back on the throne in Germany 90 years after the last Kaiser fled, or a Tsar in Russia? A handfull of fringe elements probably, yet 60 years ago many more wanted their them back on their thrones. 90 years ago the vast majority of people would have thought it unthinkable that there was no Kaiser or Tsar. Just an analogy, I could have tried others - Tibet, Women's Rights ...

So if GCs don't want partition (and in 2007 they are the main block) they will just have to accept, as others have done before them, that they are not going to get back to some position in the past, at a date of their choosing, when life was wonderful and we all were much younger and happier. And the more time that passes, the more distant will be any settlement from that mythical-past, until finally enough time has passed so that we are nowhere near it - permanent partition.

[Kikapu]

Kikapu wrote:

"Your answer went right over my head, as to how the Partition will be achieved. Were there any explanations of events needed or not needed to happen to reach getting a Partition. If there were, like I said, it went right over my head. Sorry."

No need to apologize. No events were given - it's just that after enough time passes, what once seemed unthinkable appears acceptable. Let a bit more time pass and what seemed acceptable moves to the category of being unthinkable to change.

The reality on the ground (forget UN resolutions and legality or otherwise) is that Cyprus is partitioned now. No one needs to do anything to 'achieve partition'. The more time that passes, the more people accept 'partition' as being normal. The pressure to stay the same becomes greater than the pressure to change.

Does anyone today want the Kaiser back on the throne in Germany 90 years after the last Kaiser fled, or a Tsar in Russia? A handfull of fringe elements probably, yet 60 years ago many more wanted their them back on their thrones. 90 years ago the vast majority of people would have thought it unthinkable that there was no Kaiser or Tsar. Just an analogy, I could have tried others - Tibet, Women's Rights ...

So if GCs don't want partition (and in 2007 they are the main block) they will just have to accept, as others have done before them, that they are not going to get back to some position in the past, at a date of their choosing, when life was wonderful and we all were much younger and happier. And the more time that passes, the more distant will be any settlement from that mythical-past, until finally enough time has passed so that we are nowhere near it - permanent partition.

Observer,

OK, I get it. You're just giving a Philosophical answer to what may happen down the road. The only problem is, I'm not sure we can compare events that happened so long ago to other countries 100, 200, 300 and more years ago, and expect the same for the future of Cyprus. Look at the state of affairs Israel and Palestine are in. Is Turkey willing to "Baby sit" the "TRNC" for ever, and are you really, really sure, that the Greek Cypriots are just going to forget the whole thing over time.

Hell, Piratis still talks about 1571 for God sake.

[Kikapu]

Partitionists are becoming like Police Officers or Hookers....You can't find one, when you need one.

[shahmaran]

yeah right the Greeks will ever let go, not even after 3000 years (piratis), talk about Megali Idea, its laughable... thank god the Turks are just as stubborn

[Kikapu]

It turns out, Viewpoint does not want to engage in this subject, because he simply does not have an answer, but instead want's to use Observer's post, as his answer, he has said, on another thread.

I never thought I will see the day, that a Passionate Partitionist could not answer a simply question.

OH, well, perhaps we have given him too much credit on what he knows and what he doesn't know.

Perhaps VP was kept out of the "Partitionist Meetings" to discuss the "Partition Blueprint"


Perhaps he is only paid to read the scripts, and not to think.

[shahmaran]

i thought that partition is pretty evident already, and annexation, well that all depends on how the Greeks handle the situation don't you think? the way we are going it seems almost inevitable...

but if you mean, how we are going to "legitimize" our partition in order to continue as a "normal" nation, then i suppose time will show, but im sure the Greeks will rather die before letting it happen..

[Kikapu]

Oh, the latest from VP is, that the Partition had already happened, 33 years ago.

Isn't that nice. It's nice to see the citizens of a country take their political matters in their own hands and part away piece of the island Democratically and still remain friends with their neighbours.

Those silly GC's just forgot that they had agreed to give part of the country away to their neighbours.

Pretty soon, they will give away the OIL, then complain, that they never agreed to it.

I wish these people would make up their minds.

What is wrong with them anyway.?

Oh VP, there are also some TC's complaining about his arrangement. Are you sure everything was up & up on this partition agreement.

Something smell funny about this deal, and I don't think it's the cheese in Denmark.

[Kikapu]

but if you mean, how we are going to "legitimize" our partition in order to continue as a "normal" nation,..

Oh, thank you Shah for making an attempt to answer it, because my question is what you were asking in your quote.

I don't know why no one is willing to answer the question.

Why is VP hiding.

Oh I know, he thinks this is some kind of a test I'm playing on him.

VP, Gods truths, this is NO test, but I must also tell you, that I do not believe in God.