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[LENA]

Hi observer,

You say as if it is a fact. Is it? I am simply asking, I have no idea. From what I have heard (and this is purely anecdotal), any new EU member has to (unofficially) choose one primary language to be given EU status and one language only. Having said this a number of countries, notably Spain with Catalan, have recently being pushing to have secondary languages to be given official EU status. Even so the EU has only made these official working languages and not given them EU language status. The difference being that EU documents are not translated into these languages although correspondence with the EU can be made in them.
Another example is Irish, which is Eire's 1st language but has only just been given EU status. The reason being that even though it was the 1st language fewer people spoke it than spoke English. Basically it seems that any one member can only choose one language to be given EU status. What the RoC could do and has not yet is ask for Turkish to be made an official working language of the EU (as is Catalan/Basque etc...). Given the current circumstances it is probably not worth doing so yet.

So all I'm saying is, are you sure it was Cyprus that refrained from asking Turkish to be given EU status or could it have been more the other way around? Just some food for thought.

Come on Alexis dont be like that...VP will be disappointed...anything we do its wrong...we chose an ancient statue from Cypriot history...which has nothing to so with the religion...and they turn it to a religion issue...we wrote Turkish on the coins and they start a whole argument about the official language. Whatever we do its not good, its not fair...we put an effort they put nothing...but we are the bad guys here!!!!

By the way thank you for this info...I didnt really knew that!!!!

[LENA]

:roll: That is not a cross but part of our ancient history.

Should we forget about our whole Cypriot history

The Olive Tree
Oranges
Grapes
Bellapais
A castle
Cyprus (Shape)
anything but not a cross or moon and crescent, nothing that would make the either side uncomfortable. The crucifix is really pushing it in our faces, thank god we do not have to adopt it as our official currency.

How many times should we say that? That is not a CROSS...and its not a religion statue...its historical one!!!! 5000 years history!!!
I dont think that even if we had select one of the above you was going to be pleased...you always find something to complain...as pitsilos said...if we had put Cyprus you will wanted a dividing line...if we had put a castle or a historical place you was going to say...its in the south or its in the north...or doesnt represent the TC...always excuses and complains!!!

[observer]

You say as if it is a fact. Is it? I am simply asking, I have no idea. From what I have heard (and this is purely anecdotal), any new EU member has to (unofficially) choose one primary language to be given EU status and one language only. Having said this a number of countries, notably Spain with Catalan, have recently being pushing to have secondary languages to be given official EU status.

Thanks for the info. Like you, I am none too sure of the exact facts, though I believe there are primary working languages and secondary languages (Catalan, Gaelic, Welsh etc) that are recognised as EU languages used within the EU and have a semi-official status. My understanding is that RoC did not ask for Turkish to be included in either category.

[observer]

Now I know a little more:

"The Spanish governments have sought to give some official status in the EU for Basque, Catalan/Valencian and Galician. The 2667th Council Meeting of the Council of the European Union in Luxembourg on 13 June 2005 decided to authorise limited use at EU level of languages recognised by Member States other than the official working languages. The Council granted recognition to "languages other than the languages referred to in Council Regulation No 1/1958 whose status is recognised by the Constitution of a Member State on all or part of its territory or the use of which as a national language is authorised by law." The official use of such languages will be authorised on the basis of an administrative arrangement concluded between the Council and the requesting Member State.

Luxembourgish, an official language of Luxembourg, and Turkish, an official language of Cyprus, have not used yet this provision.

There has been a suggestion in an official briefing that the implicit principle for official languages of the European Union is that each member state can put forward at most one official language ('one member state, one language'). This has not been confirmed in documents.

Although Catalan, Galician and Basque are not nation-wide official languages in Spain, as co-official languages in the respective regions they are eligible to benefit from official use in EU institutions under the terms of the 13 June 2005 resolution of the Council of the European Union. The Spanish government has assented to the provisions in respect of these languages"

It seems to me that the EU has to authorise "limited use" of languages other than official working languages and that this authorisation has not been applied for.

[shahmaran]

after examining the little idol of pomos a bit more i begin to like it a lot more, its cute and its tribal and its symbolic, altho i dont think its the kind of symbol that immediately sparks "Cyprus" in the mind im sure people will get used to it..

however the notes are a whole new story, apart from the fact that Cyprus is not even in the maps on the notes (unless i saw a bad copy), there is also a whole load of, what appears to be, windows of church and cathedrals all over them, well i hope thats not what they are, and if that is what they are then it doesnt exactly tell the whole story does it?

[Viewpoint]

:roll: That is not a cross but part of our ancient history.

Should we forget about our whole Cypriot history

The Olive Tree
Oranges
Grapes
Bellapais
A castle
Cyprus (Shape)
anything but not a cross or moon and crescent, nothing that would make the either side uncomfortable. The crucifix is really pushing it in our faces, thank god we do not have to adopt it as our official currency.

How many times should we say that? That is not a CROSS...and its not a religion statue...its historical one!!!! 5000 years history!!!
I dont think that even if we had select one of the above you was going to be pleased...you always find something to complain...as pitsilos said...if we had put Cyprus you will wanted a dividing line...if we had put a castle or a historical place you was going to say...its in the south or its in the north...or doesnt represent the TC...always excuses and complains!!!

It looks like a cross and thus controvertial what it was an ancient artifact which looks like a cresentand star, would you be ok with that? if you are then do it, lets see if the GC leaders are willing to include us for a change.

What would it have taken to picl,k something neutral and not so in your face I am a disguised cross in your face type of symbol.

What you GCs do Lena are calculated and measure acts of provocation no more no less, its just that you cannot see it as you are not on this side of the fence.

[shahmaran]

oh she does!!

she acts all cute and innocent here but actually she keeps sending me life threatening emails!!

[Alexis]

Luxembourgish, an official language of Luxembourg, and Turkish, an official language of Cyprus, have not used yet this provision.

Hi observer,

Thanks for the info, very interesting. So perhaps this is something the RoC could do in the future as a goodwill gesture to the TC community.
Still, going back to the subject of the Euro, I think it is actually a good thing that Turkish is on the reverse of the coin. As for the EuroZone collapsing, I don't know too much about economics but I think we are too far along for that to happen. It'll take more than a few rogue currencies springing up to uproot this thing imo. I work in the City of London and the FX markets are simply humming. So many stocks are now listed in Euros, it will take a lot to topple it imo. There's a lot of euorscepticism around at the moment but public opinion alone is not enough, if it were the EU would have probably collapsed by now.

[observer]

Another case of our democratically elected leaders ignoring the public.

[Strahd]

however the notes are a whole new story, apart from the fact that Cyprus is not even in the maps on the notes (unless i saw a bad copy), there is also a whole load of, what appears to be, windows of church and cathedrals all over them, well i hope thats not what they are, and if that is what they are then it doesnt exactly tell the whole story does it?

Those have nothing to do with religion, windows are there to symbolise the open minds of Europe and bridges to symbolise the connection of different nations. These in turn are samples of different european architectural movements throughout the century.

The euro 5 is 120 by 62 mm, it is grey, and shows Classical architectural style.
The euro 10 is 127 by 67 mm, it is red, and shows Romanesque architectural style.
The euro 20 is 133 by 72 mm, it is blue, and shows Gothic architectural style.
The euro 50 is 140 by 77 mm, it is orange, and it shows Renaissance architectural style.
The euro 100 is 147 by 82 mm, it is green, and it shows Baroque and Rococo architectural style.
The euro 200 is 153 by 82 mm, it is yellow-brown, and it shows iron and glass architectural style.
The euro 500 is 160 by 82 mm, it is purple, and is done in the Modern 20th century architectural style. (I d love a few of those )