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[pitsilos]

vips, plural, wrote

they come they go.....therefore they dont count.

you imply to know something here

and then you, vips, plural, wrote

Im not claimimg to be an expert...

you see the contradiction here?

how can anyone ever take you seriously is beyond me

[reportfromcyprus]

Is that the same "RoC" of 1963 which threw out it TCs members and tried to change itself by enforcing Akritas? Or do you have faith in your ex eoka leader known Turks hater to put things right?

VP, this is about multiculturism, not dredging up the past - listen to the man for a minute; if there were such policies that promised fairness to all communities on the island, wouldn't this be a step in the right direction?

Admittedly, it's a big if, and there are huge challenges in this area, but it would be a constructive approach to putting the fears of the past to rest.

Policies are not good if the humans implimenting them are high on the world list of well known racists.

The Council of Europe already rapped the RoC on racism, so I can't say there isn't a problem. There is. Now what? Where do we go from here?

Education has helped many institutions change from outright racists to more tolerant entities; South Africa as one example; the British police force as another.

Isn't change at least possible?

[Viewpoint]

vips, plural, wrote

they come they go.....therefore they dont count.

you imply to know something here

and then you, vips, plural, wrote

Im not claimimg to be an expert...

you see the contradiction here?

how can anyone ever take you seriously is beyond me

its called modesty some thing which GCs do not have to have much to spare off, so you are an expert on everything you post about? really you have egg on your face...

back to the same old games, avoid the issue and attack the poster, come pits you are getting tiresome try something new.

[Viewpoint]

Is that the same "RoC" of 1963 which threw out it TCs members and tried to change itself by enforcing Akritas? Or do you have faith in your ex eoka leader known Turks hater to put things right?

VP, this is about multiculturism, not dredging up the past - listen to the man for a minute; if there were such policies that promised fairness to all communities on the island, wouldn't this be a step in the right direction?

Admittedly, it's a big if, and there are huge challenges in this area, but it would be a constructive approach to putting the fears of the past to rest.

Policies are not good if the humans implimenting them are high on the world list of well known racists.

The Council of Europe already rapped the RoC on racism, so I can't say there isn't a problem. There is. Now what? Where do we go from here?

Education has helped many institutions change from outright racists to more tolerant entities; South Africa as one example; the British police force as another.

Isn't change at least possible?

We are talking GCs and TCs here, really be serious.

[reportfromcyprus]

You haven't answered my question unless by that last comment you mean that there's no chance for change.

[Alexis]

The Council of Europe already rapped the RoC on racism, so I can't say there isn't a problem. There is. Now what? Where do we go from here?

Education has helped many institutions change from outright racists to more tolerant entities; South Africa as one example; the British police force as another.

Isn't change at least possible?

Of course it is possible. If the UK police can change then why can't Cyprus' police? Sure Cypriots are racist but some of the worst racism I have witnessed in Europe has been here in the UK. If British institutions can change the why can't Cyprus'? I think Vp is perhaps failing to distinguish between sectarian racism (TC .vs. GC) and other forms of racism based on skin colour etc...
The solution to the former goes hand in hand with a comprehensive settlement to the Cyprus problem and then further years of building trust and reconciliation. The later can be solved with education and I can't see how you can argue Cyprus is particularly more racist than most other Eastern European countries including for that matter Turkey.
Not saying the two are not related though, but they are two distinctly different prejudices imo.

[Pyrpolizer]

The problem with the 60s imo was not only the sufferring of the TC people inside the enclaves. It was also the lack of information towards the GC public. I believe if the Tc leaders really wanted they would use all available means to let the majority of GC learn about the situation in the enclaves.

Bayrak radio was on during that period. Yet they had an idiot nationalist speaking Greek there, who was only broadcasting us scaring threats that the Turks would cut our heads and post them on poles. Everytime my mother was tuning at Bayrak and i was hearing that idiot I was getting scared.

We really knew nothing of what was going on...

Furthermore imo the TC leaders should have gone directly to the UN and secure a resolution. Of course nothing like that ever happened, because that wouldn't serve their taksim agenda very well...

Didnt you have eyes, or did you prefer to turn it blindly

Do you really think the UN were not made aware of what was going on?? come on dont be so naive.

Of course we had eyes, but how could we use our eyes and see if not even one GC was allowed to enter the enclaves? And if any one happened to enter by mistake he would not come out of it alive.

Of course the UN were aware. They knew you were forced into enclaves both by your leaders who were preparing taksim, and by our lunatics who were attacking innocent people. My question was if it was just the GCs fault, THEN WHY THE TC LEADERSHIP HAVEN'T GONR TO THE UN TO SECURE A RESOLUTION?
Answer this question and we may proceed.

[Viewpoint]

The problem with the 60s imo was not only the sufferring of the TC people inside the enclaves. It was also the lack of information towards the GC public. I believe if the Tc leaders really wanted they would use all available means to let the majority of GC learn about the situation in the enclaves.

Bayrak radio was on during that period. Yet they had an idiot nationalist speaking Greek there, who was only broadcasting us scaring threats that the Turks would cut our heads and post them on poles. Everytime my mother was tuning at Bayrak and i was hearing that idiot I was getting scared.

We really knew nothing of what was going on...

Furthermore imo the TC leaders should have gone directly to the UN and secure a resolution. Of course nothing like that ever happened, because that wouldn't serve their taksim agenda very well...

Didnt you have eyes, or did you prefer to turn it blindly

Do you really think the UN were not made aware of what was going on?? come on dont be so naive.

Of course we had eyes, but how could we use our eyes and see if not even one GC was allowed to enter the enclaves? And if any one happened to enter by mistake he would not come out of it alive.

Of course the UN were aware. They knew you were forced into enclaves both by your leaders who were preparing taksim, and by our lunatics who were attacking innocent people. My question was if it was just the GCs fault, THEN WHY THE TC LEADERSHIP HAVEN'T GONR TO THE UN TO SECURE A RESOLUTION?
Answer this question and we may proceed.

I do not take kindly to orders, if you are adamantly going deny everything I say or ignore everything then how can we move forward....? People do not willing go live in ghettos, did you not see the discrimination that went on outside of the enclaves? when TCs ventured out, your comments only add to the blindness of your arguements, why dont you keep believing that all Tcs wanted to live in holiday camps and it was all their own doing, its obviously a waste of time putting our side of the story as we do not count. The relevent objecyions were lodged but due to UNs manadate they did shit all as usual, when have the UN ever been effective, isnt that why we would never trust them with our security.

[Pyrpolizer]

No we saw NOTHING. All the TC villages were ghettos no GC could enter. How could I know what was going on? All we knew was that our life was IN DANGER even if we dared approach a TC village.

As for why your leaders never care going to the UN the real reason is because they themselves were guilty as well. Stop hiding behind excuses.

They wanted you to suffer and blame the GCs, the same way they still want you to suffer today and blame the GCs. Your suffering served and still serves the ultimate goal of taksim/partition

[Viewpoint]

No we saw NOTHING. All the TC villages were ghettos no GC could enter. How could I know what was going on? All we knew was that our life was IN DANGER even if we dared approach a TC village.

As for why your leaders never care going to the UN the real reason is because they themselves were guilty as well. Stop hiding behind excuses.

They wanted you to suffer and blame the GCs, the same way they still want you to suffer today and blame the GCs. Your suffering served and still serves the ultimate goal of taksim/partition

Although the first inter-communal shooting incident occurred on 21 December 1963, the Greek-Cypriot plan to isolate the Turkish-Cypriot population centres was not implemented until widespread street fighting began in Nicosia on 23 December. Telephones were disconnected, and road blocks were erected around the main Turk-Cypriot villages and quarters. Outside of Nicosia, the Turkish-Cypriot community was completely bewildered by the course of events. Throughout the island, most Turk-Cypriots did not dare to venture out into their fields or on to the roads. Even so, some Turk-Cypriots moved to the security of larger Turkish-Cypriot centres and a refugee movement began to gather momentum. Government radio and television broadcasts, as well as Greek-Cypriot newspapers, portrayed the fighting as a Turkish-Cypriot revolt against the Republic, a revolt fomented to provide an excuse for Turkey to invade and impose partition. There is no doubt that this propaganda generated an intense Greek-Cypriot enmity against the Turk-Cypriot community, and encouraged a number of revenge murders throughout the island. Many Turk-Cypriot employees were turned out by their Greek-Cypriot employers; some left on their own initiative. However, most Turk- Cypriots simply found it too dangerous to attempt to go to work in Greek-Cypriot areas. As a result, the Cyprus police, the government and the civil service became de facto Greek-Cypriot organizations. Apart from the casualties caused by major fighting incidents in Nicosia, Larnaca, Mathlati, Ayios Vasilios and the Kyrenia Pass, an additional 33 Turk-Cypriots were killed, or are now presumed to have been killed, in scattered, unreported incidents throughout the island during December.

By Christmas the Greek-Cypriot forces, because of superior numbers, were on the verge of completely over-running the Turkish-Cypriot quarter of Nicosia. Only Turkey's threat to invade Cyprus forced President Makarios to accept a cease-fire on 25 December, to be maintained by British troops. An exchange of hostages was arranged on 26 December under the personal supervision of Duncan Sandys, British Commonwealth and Foreign Secretary. The government handed over 545 Turk-Cypriots, and the Turk-Cypriots gave up 26 Greek-Cypriots. On 30 December, British troops began patrolling Nicosia. During the week of street fighting in Nicosia, 49 Turk-Cypriots and 20 Greek-Cypriots are known to have been killed; in addition, 30 Turk-Cypriots and four Greek-Cypriots are still missing.[6]

On 14 June 1964, General Grivas returned to Cyprus. In the next two months 5,000 Greek troops arrived to form the Greek Army in Cyprus under his command.[48] The 950 men of the Greek

National Contingent, whose status was based on the 1960 Treaty of Alliance, ostensibly remained a separate organization.

In February 1964, the Government had undertaken to reorganize and regularize its armed forces as the 'National Guard'. The Cyprus Government, in consultation with the Greek Government, had vested the command of this force in a Greek Army general, General Georgios Karayannis. Originally a recruiting ceiling of 5,000 men had been set. The invasion threat prompted the Government to introduce conscription in June 1964 and to increase the National Guard by 15,000.[49]

Sandys persuaded both Cypriot communities, as well as Greece and Turkey, to send representatives to a conference in London, beginning on 15 January, to thrash out the problem.

None of the parties were optimistic that inter-communal conflict could be resolved at the conference. President Makarios wanted to take the dispute to the United Nations where he felt he could count on the support of the Afro-Asian States. His agreement to send representatives to London was based on the strategy that the Conference would fall, and that a direct recourse to the Security Council would prove more successful if, as under Article 33 of the U.N. Charter, all possible alternative solutions had been exhausted.


The authorization of the United Nations peacekeeping force on 4 March 1964 did not mean that UNFICYP was yet operational. Both Cypriot communities were aware that once this force was deployed the then existing pattern of coercive control throughout the island would be 'frozen'. Both sides therefore were intent on consolidating or extending their control before UNFICYP could intervene.

Just read the above to remind yourself of what was going on back then and why TCs did not go into ghettos out of their own free will, they were frightened shitless, I have spoken with my fatherinlaw who confirms this, you will probably also clal him a liar as well but he has first hand accounts of what that period was like and how they felt their lives were at risk.

As you can see form the above attempts re resolve the situation reveals that representations were made to the UN who assigned forces.

So your above rantings are not only insulting but very inaccurate, you really need to go do some more homework as you block out, distaught and dismiss the tragedy that befelled the TCs in 1963.