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War Crimes Tribunal for T.Papadopoulos

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Who believes Tassos Papadopoulos should be brought to the war crimes tribunal?

YES
18
64%
NO
10
36%
MAYBE
0
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Total votes : 28

Postby Bananiot » Mon Aug 01, 2005 10:57 pm

Good night Piratis. Tomorrow is another day.
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Postby erolz » Mon Aug 01, 2005 11:26 pm

Piratis wrote: No, what these traitors do is asking from the Americans to intervene and forcefully take away from us the leader we elected and that we continue to support.


Are you alledging that Banniot wants and is working for the USA to come and seize TP and derag him off the island???

You should go back and look at who started the thread and gave it it's title. Certainly not Bananiot! You might also want to take a look at your own first contribution to this thread !

Piratis wrote:
These people do not understand about democracy and they want to force their will on us. If this is called "criticism" then maybe the plans of EOKA B, the Junta and CIA to overthrown Makarios can also be called "criticism"??


It seems to me that making accusations that someone who critises TP is and must be working with foreign powers to have this person 'removed' (killed kidnapped or whatever) without a shred of eveidence that this is the case, is not the act of a 'democrat'. It is more akin to the kind of 'framing' of 'dissenters' found in totalitarian regiems.

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We will resist to the fascists successfully this time. You stand no chance.


I know Bananiot through this forum and from having (the pleasure and honour) of having met him in person on a couple of occasions now. To descibe him as a 'facist' (and again for the only reason I can see being that he dares to critise TP and other GC) is just a total joke. A less facistic personality I could not imagine! Sometimes I really do wonder if you are even on the same planet as me let alone the same island!
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Postby Piratis » Tue Aug 02, 2005 12:04 am

The American paid fascists will not win this time. We will not let them finish what they started in 1974. You have a problem with that? Of course you do, for obvious reasons.
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Postby Bananiot » Tue Aug 02, 2005 9:10 am

Papadopoulos claimed that all people that voted for a solution (nenekides) were on the payroll of UNOPS and the Americans. When asked for proof he said that it was not up to him to prove his allegations but up to the accused to prove their innocence. This came from the mouth of a lawyer. Thus, the layman (Piratis for example) may probably be excused in entertaining such believes since he is happy to take the lead from the big brother. In other words Papadopoulos is also guilty of spreading such gross political culture to the unsuspecting but surely we cannot take him to the International Court for this.
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Postby cypezokyli » Tue Aug 02, 2005 9:23 am

piratis wrote:
The American paid fascists will not win this time. We will not let them finish what they started in 1974.


my friend piratis
in the last couple of years a new kind of literature appeared in the press. actually by just one newspaper. . it is a new critisism on the makarios era that didnt exist before. its a critisism from the left. am sure that u have the capacity to understand the difference between two different critisism on makarios but i am sure that the dogma : if u dont support us us you r the enemy suits you just fine.

EOKA B or the american payed fascist attacked makarios in the name of enosis.
the new critisism on makarios is just the opposite. that he had enosis in his mind. the way he treated the tc. the akritas plan and bla bla

it is a paradox to claim that an ex EOKA B member would critisice makarios for the way he treated the tc
its absurd


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patriots and traitors

personally
a person who in times of peace sais i will die for my country in case of war is the biggest traitor
i preffer the one who picks up a thrown coca cola tin and puts it in the bin, without bragging about it and demanding medals
the difference between the two is chaotic
the one sais and the other does

as for the Aplan
a patriot for me was
the person from kyrenia who voted for yes - knowing that his house would not be returned
a person like my grandfather who knew that his house would have been returned and still voted no
can u spot the similarity?
both of them, despite the difference in opinion, voted against their private interest for the good of their country
it doesnt matter that they had different opinion on what is good for their country. the fact that they put their country over their pocket makes them patriots enough.
i am sure if u sum all of them up u ll get less than 10% of real patriots
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Postby cypezokyli » Tue Aug 02, 2005 9:44 am

Majorities

Nobody wants or argued that the vote of the majority is not respected just a comment on the following majority decisions

socrates was sentenced to death by the majority
the massacre of milos as well
i dont know if u r a christian bt the majority of the jews accepted christ a savior and then crisified him in a week ( once again gustav le bon "the psycology of the masses")
venizelos was overthrown democratically
hitler was the most popular party when he was appointed as pm. by 1937 he had the widespread approval of around 90%.. the public opinion changed only in 1942 when the possibility of defeat was sth more than a possibility.
(only Lenin still supporter by AKEL had overthrown the goverment after he had lost in elections)
denktash was also elected democratically as the tc in this forum verified
blair was also elected democratically
bush , this time by a stronger majority

and dont u dear tell me that in the USA its the work of propoaganda which affects the public opinion because u know what is the next question u will have to answer :wink:

i am not asking u to say that u r wrong.
most probably i am the one on the wrong side
just for u to accept that there is a chance that the majority does not always makes the most wise decisions
just a small tiny chance?
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Postby Bananiot » Tue Aug 02, 2005 10:20 am

Code: Select all
patriots and traitors

personally
a person who in times of peace says I will die for my country in case of war is the biggest traitor.
I preffer the one who picks up a thrown coca cola tin and puts it in the bin, without bragging about it and demanding medals, the difference between the two is chaotic, the one says and the other does


I have used the above example many times my friend. I am so glad we agree here. Patriotism is all those small things and it is not confined to one race either. A Sri Lankan working in Cyprus (for pea nuts, but this is another story) can be more patriotic than the super patriots that sell us nationalism every day. Ypou are also very right in claiming that all those that through a stone at the english colonialists, later tried to cash in on their act of patriotism. They were duly compensated with cushy government posts from where they could go on serving their beloved country.
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Postby Piratis » Tue Aug 02, 2005 11:07 am

Papadopoulos claimed that all people that voted for a solution (nenekides) were on the payroll of UNOPS and the Americans. When asked for proof he said that it was not up to him to prove his allegations but up to the accused to prove their innocence. This came from the mouth of a lawyer. Thus, the layman (Piratis for example) may probably be excused in entertaining such believes since he is happy to take the lead from the big brother. In other words Papadopoulos is also guilty of spreading such gross political culture to the unsuspecting but surely we cannot take him to the International Court for this.

So the only ones who can declare others guilty just because they feel like it is Bananiot, Drousiotis, Loukas Charalampous etc. The rest of us can not say a word.
How can a professional mud thrower complain that somebody made an allegation without proving it?
Before you start preaching others it would be better to follow your own preachings. So far you are doing exactly the opposite by just throwing mud and declaring others guilty simply because they do not agree with you. When you receive a similar response at least do not complain because your hypocrisy shines.
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Postby Bananiot » Tue Aug 02, 2005 11:20 am

You do not get it Piratis, do you? I am just a nobody, I have the right to criticise the officials, our elected lords. They are accountable. Can you get this into your head? This is the cornerstone of democracy. Papadopoulos and any other elected official, party apparachik etc, cannot do this to me without substantiating the accusations. If Papadopoulos says that I got money from UNOPS he has to prove it in a court of law. Otherwise he is meagre and a liar. He thrives on lies but this is because people like you prefer the blindfolds.
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Postby Piratis » Tue Aug 02, 2005 11:28 am

Bananiot, you are just spreading lies. Papadopoulos never said that all the "yes" voters received money. What he said is that the "yes" campaign was funded by the Americans/UNOPS, which is a fact, and you can not silence it.

Also your idea that lying and throwing mud at papadopoulos is your legal right is totally wrong. You have no more right to do that than anybody else.
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