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[DigenisAkritas]

DigenisAkritas,

I want to know if you see the difference between:

"SOME muslims are terrorists. SOME terrorists are muslims"

and

"ALL muslims are terrorists. ALL terrorists are muslims"

When I say Muslim I mean, 'One who follows Mohammed'. Think of it in these terms:

In 1939 there were 8 Million members of the Nazi Party in Germany, if you were of a professional class (e.g. Accountant, Doctor, Teacher), you needed to be a member otherwise you simply couldn't progress in your career, however, does that mean to say all 8 million members shared the same beliefs in the fundaments of Nazism? No.

[bg_turk]

You haven't replied to my question. Which of the two sentence you label as True and which one as False.

[DigenisAkritas]

DigenisAkritas,

I want to know if you see the difference between:

"SOME muslims are terrorists. SOME terrorists are muslims"

and

"ALL muslims are terrorists. ALL terrorists are muslims"

My argument is not that all Muslims are terrorists, it's that The Quran and the Hadiths promote terrorism like we are seeing now.

[Agios Amvrosios]

What evidence is there of any alleged"war crimes" and what evidence is there to link anything to Tassos?

I have been scouring the internet for something.Someone give me a link... Phrases such as war crimes are routinely used by some of the more fanatical lunatic sites without any bona fide grounds.

In this forum I have seen people use words like genocide to describe a couple of sporadic killings of less than 800 people.The majority of which were violent terrorists. ( do you Turkish Propagandists include as victims of the "massacre" the Turkish Cypriots who were randomly stopping road users in the sixties and shooting them in the head?)

PUH-Lease Lets puts this into some sort of perspective. 6 million jews were killed by Hitler. 1/3 of all Armenians were killed in a couple of months by the Turks in the begining of the 20th Century. Many more Greeks, (some 8,000) were killed in the invasion of Cyprus, including women and children. Turkey has been successfully tried in international and European Courts.

To answer your Question. The War Crimes tribunal has better things to do.

[erolz]

What evidence is there of any alleged"war crimes" and what evidence is there to link anything to Tassos?

There is a believe evidence that TP was a major figure in EOKA and was one of the 3 drafters of the Akritas plan, according to some GC on this forum. Through EOKA TP is linked to terroist activites pre 60. After 60 he is linked to state sponsored terrorism through EOKA. Through his authorship of the Akritas plan he is linked to a pre determined and illegal plan to rob the TC of their consitutional and human rights. War criminal? That's a matter of perspective. TP linked to 'anything' - thats pretty much indisputable and undisputed as far as I am concerned.

I have been scouring the internet for something.Someone give me a link... Phrases such as war crimes are routinely used by some of the more fanatical lunatic sites without any bona fide grounds.

Should have tried scouring this forum. It is GC that claim his links to EOKA and to the Akritas plan. Are they fanatical lunatics without any bona fides?

In this forum I have seen people use words like genocide to describe a couple of sporadic killings of less than 800 people.The majority of which were violent terrorists.

To say the majority of TC murderd by violent GC state sponsord / state tollerated terrorist thugs were themselves violent terroists is not true and a gross insult to the memory of the many innocent TC slaughtered by such GC - my own uncle included. Of course as a GC and a great believer and lecturer on the paramount nature of the rule of law, the fact that even terrorist were summarily murdered by bands of GC irregulars with no trial, no prosectuon and defense and no due process is of little import.

( do you Turkish Propagandists include as victims of the "massacre" the Turkish Cypriots who were randomly stopping road users in the sixties and shooting them in the head?)

Yes there were TC extremists killing innocent and not so innocent GC in this period. Not in the same numbers as GC killing TC (realtive to population size and in absolute terms). Shall I claim the majority of such GC killed were violent terrorist? Shall I insult the memory of your innocents brutaly murdered in this period as you so casulay do ours? No I do not and will not.

PUH-Lease Lets puts this into some sort of perspective. 6 million jews were killed by Hitler. 1/3 of all Armenians were killed in a couple of months by the Turks in the begining of the 20th Century. Many more Greeks, (some 8,000) were killed in the invasion of Cyprus, including women and children. Turkey has been successfully tried in international and European Courts.

Like so many GC posters here keep the same perspective when they use terms like 'ethnic cleansing' and 'refugees' and other such emotive terms? Also your figure of 8000 is not acurate as I understand the figures - not that it matters. 800, 1000, 5000, 8000 or 10000 it is still a tradgey - most especially to those people who lost loved ones.

[Agios Amvrosios]

Is this extract the complete text of the Akritas Plan:

http://www.charm.net/~trnc/h001.html

The efforts of the Greeks are to remove unreasonable and unfair provisions of the administration and not to oppress the Turks;

The proposed amendments are reasonable, just, and safeguard the reasonable rights of the minority.

If this is a link to the Akritas Plan. I don't think the Akritas plan is any where near as bad as you propagandists are suggesting. The plan does make provisions for the protection of the Turkish community. What is your f*cking problem?



Please give me a link to the complete text of the Akritas plan.

[fi]

You people are way too extreme!!! Is this for real???

Hehehheeh Papadopoulos for Hague tribunal

What should happen to Turkey that has brought settlers to Cyprus which IS a war crime!!!!!

- let not forget the Asia Minor descruction when more than a million of Greeks where expelled and all the brutal rest from the homes which were Greek since the beginning of time
- the expelling of thousands of Greeks from Constantinople and the ethinc cleansing there after!???!

Peole should be more responsible for their actions rather than try to create extreme stories to make them feel better for their past

[metecyp]

The plan does make provisions for the protection of the Turkish community. What is your f*cking problem?

This forum is becoming more of a joke everyday. Akritas plan aimed to remove everything that the TCs gained in 1960...and you're telling me that I should feel protected by the provisions of the Akritas plan? Get f*cking real here for God's sake.

[Alexandros Lordos]

The plan does make provisions for the protection of the Turkish community. What is your f*cking problem?

This forum is becoming more of a joke everyday. Akritas plan aimed to remove everything that the TCs gained in 1960...and you're telling me that I should feel protected by the provisions of the Akritas plan? Get f*cking real here for God's sake.

Metecyp, on the contrary: The fact that views of history that challenge "the usual narrative" are being put forward, is part of this forum's strength. For instance, TCs challenge GCs with a different view of the 1974 events, why shouldn't the GCs challenge TCs with a different view of the 1963 events? If we ever manage to achieve a common understanding of our history - through dialogue - this will be a great step towards achieving a solution.

I am not saying I agree with AA's perspective on the Akritas Plan - I never studied it in detail - but it is a viewpoint worth exploring, even if only to refute it.

Beyond the actual details of the Akritas Plan, I know that the majority of GCs in the 1960s believed that the TCs should be a minority with its rights protected in a united Greece-Cyprus, while a small terrorist minority believed in the extermination or expulsion of the TCs.

I also know that most GCs nowadays are glad that union with Greece never took place, seeing the sorry economic state of Greek provinces such as Crete, Macedonia, the Pelloponese etc. Greece is like a "black hole" sucking everything towards the (corrupt and wasteful) centre at Athens.

[metecyp]

For instance, TCs challenge GCs with a different view of the 1974 events, why shouldn't the GCs challenge TCs with a different view of the 1963 events? If we ever manage to achieve a common understanding of our history - through dialogue - this will be a great step towards achieving a solution.

I agree with you and that's what I've been trying to do here. But what AA suggested was almost like TCs were supposed to be happy about the Akritas Plan because it had protections for the TC community! Which is a big joke by the definition of the Akritas Plan. It's like me saying "No GCs got killed in 1974" or "No GCs were forced from their homes, they just left to the south voluntarily"....I'm open to dialogue but not total bullshit..I hope you understand what I mean.