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[erolz]

Erolz and co, first come here to accuse us that we "started it first" and then when I state the facts they accuse as of racism.

Is it racism to state the facts of history?

It is a fact that to say any particular race only knows how to kill, rape and murder is the statement of a racist. You have said it at least twice now. It has nothing to do with you 'stating facts'. By saying the only thing Turks know how to do is kill,rape and steal you clearly show your racist views.

If history is not favorable to you and you would prefer to forget about it, I have no problem. But in this case don't go in the past to tell us "who started it first", because the answer to this is very easy to be given and your only way out after is just empty accusations. (since you can not deny the facts of history)

It is a historical fact that you clearly stated

Then at some point the Turks decided to move in our area and do the ONLY thing they know: kill, rape and steal what others created.

So according to you thats all that Turks know how to do (and in the past you stated somehting similar about it being the only thing that Turks can do well). That makes you a reacist in my book. Is that accusation plain and 'full' enough for you.

Who are racists are the ones that want to apply in Cyprus something racist that will discriminate on people depending on what race they are. Who is asking for such thing Erolz, me or you?

Sorry is this too complicated for you? Have you forgotten what you posted a few posts above. Like I said before I let it go the first time - but if anyone had expressed such a view to me in the UK about ANY race I would not have 'let it go'. So let's be clear here. I am calling you a racist because what you have said about Turks is racist. Nothing to do with history. Nothing to do with propaganda. I am not calling anyone else here a racist - despite however much I might not like or agree with their versions of history. Its just you Piratis that I am calling a racists because you are the one posting race hatred into these forums.

[Piratis]

t is a fact that to say any particular race only knows how to kill, rape and murder is the statement of a racist.

I am simply stating the facts that you can not accept because they are so shameful for you.

Instead of accusing me and refuse to see the reality, it would have been much better if you recognized the ugly history of Turks, and tried to put an end to this cruel "tradition". For example you could try to convince your aunt that living in stolen property is wrong and it should end.

Instead of that you support discrimination, you support stealing, you accept the cruelty of invasion that left 6000 dead and you call it "peace operation", and after all these, you have the nerve to come and tell me that I am the racist one!!

If expressing racists views is considered a crime in the UK, then what about acting in a racist way, which is what you are doing.
What about stealing? Isn't that a crime according to your views? What about not respecting human rights and not obeying to UN resolutions? All these are fine to you ah?

[brother]

How about the illegal ROC regime which was hyjacked by the GC giving back half the title to its legal owners the tc, how about you give TC homes/land back first which you are using illegally.

You are the thieves and the ones who commited genocide, just be man enough accept it and lets move on.

[Piratis]

How about the illegal ROC regime which was hyjacked by the GC giving back half the title to its legal owners the tc, how about you give TC homes/land back first which you are using illegally.

The TC homes are used temporarily by the refugees because they are not allowed to return to their own homes. Just remove the occupation, and right when you allow them these refugees will immediately leave from the TC homes and return to their own.

You are the ones who force these refugees our of their homes, it is not their choice, and they do not want to stay in the TC homes.

You are the thieves and the ones who commited genocide, just be man enough accept it and lets move on.

Who is sitting behind the tanks insisting that application of human rights in Cyprus is not possible is not us.

If the 200-300 TCs that died over a period of 10 years is a genocide, then how do you call the 6000 GCs that died in just days?

[boulio]

peace operation,could you imagine if turkey actually declared war.

[brother]

You give it back first, and even if it was 10 tc genocide is genocide.

[erolz]

I am simply stating the facts that you can not accept because they are so shameful for you.

No you are simply proving that you are racist. It is one thing to say it is a fact that the Turkish army killed stole and raped (GC) in the events of 74. It is entirely different to say that the only thing Turks know how to do is to kill, steal and rape. The former is an expression of your belief as to what happened and the later is a racist expression - no different from saying all black africans are lazy and ignorrant. If you go around saying racist things then do not be suurprised if you end up being labled racist.

Instead of accusing me and refuse to see the reality, it would have been much better if you recognized the ugly history of Turks, and tried to put an end to this cruel "tradition".

Your 'thesis' is a core of racism. It seeks to define a whole race of people as 'inferior' to your race. This is what racsim means (check the dictionary defintions I posted before). Every country has 'ugly' parts to it's history. To make out that Turks is 'uglier' than anybody elses simply because they are Turks is racsim. You are a racist.

you have the nerve to come and tell me that I am the racist one!!

I have the nerve to tell a blatant racist (based on their OWN comments) that they are a racist. Yes I do. You are a racists and have been 'convicted' by your own racist hate propaganda that you continue to post here.

If expressing racists views is considered a crime in the UK, then what about acting in a racist way, which is what you are doing.
What about stealing? Isn't that a crime according to your views? What about not respecting human rights and not obeying to UN resolutions? All these are fine to you ah?

I am sorry but I do not take lectures in human rights and racisim from a racist - just like I would not take lectures on murders from a murder.

In summary

Piratis you are a racist. You have been shown to be so by your own racist hate postings. Any discussions we might have from this point onwards will be on the basis of you being an unrepentant racists.

[Piratis]

You like to give labels, first it was Papadopoulos and then me.

If I am racist or not can be understood from people that know me, not by you. You are not in the position to make such judgment.

I admit that what I said was extreme, but this was a reaction of what I've heard in here. If I end up to actually hate Turks and being racist (just for Turks, not anybody else), this will be a result of the outrageous things some people say in here. Am expected to love or even like the people that are trying to limit my most basic human rights, and make me a second category citizen?

When you go extreme, I go extreme. If you push on one side, I will push to the opposite. An eye for an eye as they say. This might not be correct, but thats how I react.

Anyways, sorry if I offended you. As I said many times we should leave the past behind. If you don't bring up the past as an excuse, I will not do it either.

[erolz]

You like to give labels, first it was Papadopoulos and then me.

I gave no suc lables to Papa D.

If I am racist or not can be understood from people that know me, not by you. You are not in the position to make such judgment.

If you are a racist can be understood by whether you express racist views (like all of race x know how to do is kill, rape and steal). If you express racist views - as you clearly do - then do not be surprised if you are judged a racist.

I admit that what I said was extreme, but this was a reaction of what I've heard in here. If I end up to actually hate Turks and being racist (just for Turks, not anybody else), this will be a result of the outrageous things some people say in here. Am expected to love or even like the people that are trying to limit my most basic human rights, and make me a second category citizen?

And so the backtraking begins. So it is our fault now is it? We made you express racist views (and I dont give a shit about which race you express them about of if it is only 'one race' its racsim all the same). What you are expected to do is to not behave and express racist views. Simple really. No body expects or asks you to love or like anybody. What is expected (by cizilased people / nations) is that you do not behave in racist ways - which includes saying racist things.

When you go extreme, I go extreme. If you push on one side, I will push to the opposite. An eye for an eye as they say. This might not be correct, but thats how I react.

There are all sorts of extreme views being expressed here. Have I ever said in response to this that all GC are killers because they are GC? Have I gone to the extreme of expressing plainly racist views (ie views that categorise a whole race as 'inferior' simply because of their race). Has anyone else? No they have not. There is only one person doing this Piratis and that is you. If others had resorted to racism in the face of 'extreme' positions of others then perhaps there would be some susbtance to your claim of an 'eye for an eye'. They have not and as such their is no 'eye for an eye' going on. All there is, is your racist views and your inabilty to not express them.

Anyways, sorry if I offended you. As I said many times we should leave the past behind. If you don't bring up the past as an excuse, I will not do it either.

I am not offended by racist views and by racists. I am saddened by them. This has nothing to do with any 'personal' offence (I am not even a Turk anyway). My position would be the same if you said these things about any race. If I do not bring up the past you will not show your racism. Is that the deal? Well sorry Piratis but the time for backtraking has past. As far as I am concerned you are racist and clearly so and if I treat you and your views accordingly then that is only right and proper in my opinion.

[Piratis]

Well, Erolz, as far as I am concerned you are a thief since you support the stealing of our properties and as you have admitted before your aunt is now "owning" what really belongs to a Greek Cypriot. Funny that you have no problem to live along with such criminals and suddenly you became so sensitive about a fact of history I stated.

While expressing views in an internet forum is not a crime, your actions are. It is our fault that sit and talk with people like you, that don't even respect our own homes, and you supported the killing of thousands (and NEVER said a single sorry about it) and they continue even today to support the violation of human rights of thousands of people. When you are such kind of people how can anybody like your race? My only mistake here is that I am judging everybody based on what I see from some people here. Exceptions always exists of course. But are they many? Or most of them are like you? If you tell me that you and your kind are just an exception, then I truly apologize for misjudging the whole race based on a few scams.