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[Piratis]

Erolz, you didn't answer my question: Is 30% governmental jobs for TCs fair?

Yes, we should go to the 1960 agreements, but as it is the case in all countries, those agreements have to change to become better. For example laws changed about civil weddings, the rights of gays, the rights of women etc etc. I am not asking for something different that 1960 agreements. Just the same agreements with the progressive changes that are needed for the year 2005.

We can not stop progress because it suits you better.

[gabaston]

piratis

in a fair society there should be no figures as to how many this or that -

best man gets the job - if we have to muck about and say hey there should be five turks here for every twenty greeks there, then everything built on such foundations becomes open to moral corruption, and doomed to conflicts of real interests.

[MicAtCyp]

thank god we dont have democracy in lunatic assylums and prisons

Exactly! Do you want the United Cyprus be a lunatics asylum and a prison, where democracy will not be valid?

[gabaston]

a democracy of equal benefit should do.

[erolz]

Erolz, you didn't answer my question: Is 30% governmental jobs for TCs fair?

In general terms not I do not think it 'fair' per se but then I alos think lots of rules and agreements are not fair as well. I have read somewhere that the reason this % was set so high was the reverse of the reason that GC claimed it could not be implmented - namely that because of the EOKA actions pre 60 there was already a disproprtionate number of TC in the British Administration and if was feared that there would not be enopugh GC with the experienced necessary to fill posts after indepnedance.

Yes, we should go to the 1960 agreements, but as it is the case in all countries, those agreements have to change to become better. For example laws changed about civil weddings, the rights of gays, the rights of women etc etc. I am not asking for something different that 1960 agreements. Just the same agreements with the progressive changes that are needed for the year 2005.

We can not stop progress because it suits you better.

And we can not just decide to ignore laws and agreements made and the rule of law and our own supreme court in the name of 'progress' just because it suits one partner community in the RoC to do so.

For me the idea of returning to the 60's agreements would be a lot easier to swallow if you could just admit that the way the GC leadership back then sought to change parts of the agreements made was illegal, unconstituional and just plain wrong. With this acceptance then I can see some 'acceptability' to the idea of return to 60's agreements. However when this return is accopanied by an direct or indirect insistance that the GC admin did nothing wrong in the way the sought change back then and had a right to behave illegaly and unconsitutionaly and to ignore their own supreme court, then there is no sense in even contemplating a return to such agreements - for it would be a recipie for disaster all over again.

If we are to talk of a return to the 60's agreements then we have to first establish and admit the parts played by our respective communites for its original failure. Both communites.

[ChomskyFan]

His Excellency will not be put on trial in any 'court' within the so called 'borders' of the pseudostate. His Excellency President Papadopoulos was involved with the Political Side of EOKA, so far, no evidence has come to light that he was involved in anything to do with the Military side.

Turkish killings of GC's far outweigh in number those of vice versa.

[gabaston]

so you gc's also killed tc then..............

when was that and why?

[Bananiot]

His Excellency will not be put on trial in any 'court' within the so called 'borders' of the pseudostate. His Excellency President Papadopoulos was involved with the Political Side of EOKA, so far, no evidence has come to light that he was involved in anything to do with the Military side.

His Excellency was heavily involved in the military side of EOKA. He was the area leader in the Famagusta district and he gave the orders for the murders of GC's that were considered to be traitors. He even explains in writing why these people were murdered in the magazine "Egertirion Salpisma" that was issued at the time and the EOKA Fighters' Association had recently reprented with opening remarks by His Excellency.

[Piratis]

Bananiot, you are just saying all these without any kind of proof because you don't like it that Papadopoulos defends our rights.

[Bananiot]

I will be damned if I am lying! Copies of this magazine are readily available, either from the PIO or the offices of the EOKA Fighters' Association in Nicosia.