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[erolz]

One reason that the budget was vetoed was that TCs didn't get that 30% positions in the government. Now maybe they used the veto for other reasons also. Since they had this power it is obvious that they would force deadlocks wherever possible since partition was their aim all along.

You mean because the GC leadership refused to abide by the terms of the consitution they agreed to and signed and swore to uphold and protect and the TC responded acting within the law and the agreed consitution to this illegal and unconsitutional act of the GC. And this you see legal and consitutional retaliation an abuse of power by TC?

[Piratis]

TCs taking 30% of governmental jobs was something obviously unfair. therefore of course they were abusing their power when they demanded such an unfair percentage to be given to them.

[erolz]

TCs taking 30% of governmental jobs was something obviously unfair. therefore of course they were abusing their power when they demanded such an unfair percentage to be given to them.

Unfair or not it was agreed and legal and part of the consitituion. The ignoring of it by GC, the refusal to implement the provisons on municplaites and then the refusal to accept the supreme court rulings on this issue were all illegal and unconsitituional.

Do you believe in the rule of law or not? Should the laws of the land only be complied with if you think them 'fair'. Should agreements signed only be honored if they are in your estimation fair?

[Piratis]

Many countries had unfair laws. E.g. In the US they had slavery and segregation. Such unfair laws should be changed. Do you think it was the right of some white Americans to fight against the change of these obviously racist and unfair laws? South Africa was a similar case, and many more exist. Because something unfair was signed it doesn't mean progress should be stopped.

Would you claim that 30% governmental positions for TCs was something fair??

[garbitsch]

What if we all call them Cypriots. Would it be fair to have Turkish speaking Cypriots constituting over 30%? Isn't this democracy as well?

[erolz]

TCs taking 30% of governmental jobs was something obviously unfair. therefore of course they were abusing their power when they demanded such an unfair percentage to be given to them.

And you still talk of a 'return to the legailty' of the orginal 1960 constitution as being the only option if we do not agree a new state of afairs?

So if we imagine the such a return happens (a ridiculous notion anyway)

Everything is restored to 60's consitution, all lands returned, RNC disolved, new indpenedent head of supreme court is appointed etc etc

TC community insists on its legal and constitutional right to 30% of government posts. GC illegaly refuse to implement this on the basis its 'unfair'

TC community insists on its legal and consitutional right to sperate municiplaites. GC illegaly refuse to implement these on the basis they are unfair. TC refer them to the RoC supreme court. The court rules in favour of the TC community. GC announce they will not abide by the courts ruling because it is 'unfair'. Indpendent supreme court judge resigns.

TC community use it's legal and consitutional right to block the budget resloutions in parliament as a legal and constitutional retalitation to the GC illegal and unconsitutional acts re government posts and municiplaites.

GC then blame the TC intrasigence for making the consitution unworkable and planning its destruction.

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You can not claim that the GC actions in 60's that were illegal and unconsitutional were actualy accpetable because they related to 'unfair' terms in the consitituiuon and alos argue that we should 'return to the legality of the 60's agreements as they were originaly written' and expect anything but cynism from TC, as far as I am concerned.

Similarly your 'compromise offer' of insiting that the TC community has no more political rights as a community in Cyprus than that of a minority but that the GC wil agree some 'extraordianry' proctions for the TC community to secure a settlement - is undermined by your view that the GC illeagl and unconsitutional acts in the 60's were in fact justifed and acceptable on the baisis they related to 'unfair' parts of the agreed constitution. For if this is your position, what would stop you from deciding 3 years after an agreement on your terms above, that these extraordinary provisions 'gifted' to the TC community were 'unfair' and thus justifed any illegal or unconsitutional act on ther part of GC to remove and ammend them.

[Kifeas]

Everything is restored to 60's consitution, all lands returned, RNC disolved, new indpenedent head of supreme court is appointed etc etc

Erol, I think you forgot the "T" in front of the "RNC."

[erolz]

Everything is restored to 60's consitution, all lands returned, RNC disolved, new indpenedent head of supreme court is appointed etc etc

Erol, I think you forgot the "T" in front of the "RNC."

No it was done with intent. The intent being trying to avoid accusations that the mere use of the term TRNC is used (by me and others) to cause offence to GC by saying in effect that 'part of Cyprus is Turksih'.

[Kifeas]

Everything is restored to 60's consitution, all lands returned, RNC disolved, new indpenedent head of supreme court is appointed etc etc

Erol, I think you forgot the "T" in front of the "RNC."

No it was done with intent. The intent being trying to avoid accusations that the mere use of the term TRNC is used (by me and others) to cause offence to GC by saying in effect that 'part of Cyprus is Turksih'.

I see!

[gabaston]

piratis


it seems that all your arguments are basd on the assumption that democracy is fair and equal and that the majority belief is for the overall good of every person. well my friend, "it aint necessarily so".



thank god we dont have democracy in lunatic assylums and prisons.