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[KYPROS-EINAI-ELLHNIKH]

no one has ever sided with us.

the world is only just begining to see things differently.

annan was a massive wake up for millions. And now following in its wake His Excellency..........

31 years and not even The Azeris can pledge formal recognition of the pseudostate..... Some progress eh?

We hold all the cards.

[Viewpoint]

no one has ever sided with us.

the world is only just begining to see things differently.

annan was a massive wake up for millions. And now following in its wake His Excellency..........

31 years and not even The Azeris can pledge formal recognition of the pseudostate..... Some progress eh?

We hold all the cards.

why dont you play them??

[KYPROS-EINAI-ELLHNIKH]

no one has ever sided with us.

the world is only just begining to see things differently.

annan was a massive wake up for millions. And now following in its wake His Excellency..........

31 years and not even The Azeris can pledge formal recognition of the pseudostate..... Some progress eh?

We hold all the cards.

why dont you play them??

We did, in the Annan Plan, and we got NOTHING back. Thats why we don't trust you.

[gabaston]

were not asking you to trust us.

[KYPROS-EINAI-ELLHNIKH]

were not asking you to trust us.

since 1960 trust meant jack between us, havent you figured that out yet?

Oh i figured it out as soon as I read about Seljuks advance into Minor-Asia, let me make no mistake gabaston, I have no doubt you will try to milk your so called 'fear' of us for political capitol, you can fool a bunch of barbarian albanians but you can't fool Westerners or us with it. We know what your game deception is. I don't trust you anymore than I would trust a snake.

[cypezokyli]

gebaston wrote:

VP

sorry mate but i luv him.

I reckon President Paps is tc's greatest asset.

he is a shining example of what tc's are trying to free themselves of.

just picturing him in private talks with Bush Blair Annan or any other leader brings joy to my heart.

what a wonderful way of promoting tc's concerns.

look piratis the enemy is happy with our president. he is working for their interests

ok i will be honest
during the referendum i was abroad and didnt vote
from abroad i had the opinion that the Aplan was bad.
i was in general in favor of no but the more i was listening to all that nationalism through cypriot channels i just wanted to vote against them.
in any case , i would be embarrased to be on the same side with the guys who hit the tc yesterday. ofcource they are not fascist. the voted no.

why did i change my opinion?

1. the most important reason is that i made a tc friend. no parties in the middle no americans . it just happened. u may be surprised but they r not barbarous creatures with two heads 15 eyes and four mouths reeady to devaour any gc. i was shocked bc in just one day he managed to destroy my whole school education prapaganda that i received.
the most touching scene was when he came to my place for food .
my mother brought him in front of the photo of her house in the north and showed it to him. i was thinking "shit why is she doing that now". anyway for my mother it was the first time she ever came across a tc. she just had to do it. the guy is ofcource 24 he couldnt have been involved.
unlike most tc in the forum he didnt answer " u know in 1963 bla bla bla" he could have and he would have every right to do that but he simply said: i live in kyrenia and i love my city. i know that if someone did that to me i would be really sad. i can understand how u feel.
just like that end of the story
i think it takes a lot of guts when u r under attack not to attack back but answer with kindness.
i am not sure if i would have done the same

just a human story that blew away all the political shit

2. i did not know of any 1963 or prior stuff that happened in cyprus

3. i was shocked when i found out that the tc used the veto power only once and for a stupid reason. i i say stupid bc the problem was funding some tc schools and we didnt want to give them the money. i used to believe that they constantly paralised the state. perhaps i am wrong but here is my source
http://www.iospress.gr/ios2004/ios20040418a.htm
if i am wrong i would be happy to be informed about it. perhaps i can regain my vetofear

4. i dont consider pap being willing and able to bring a new solution

5. even if u want to blame talat turkey USA, UN, Britain i have no objection. just like us, they promote thier interest and they are out of our control. thats the trick we never understood. considering that they will promote their interest whats the best we can do to promote ours?
i know how this will be interpreted. that i ask to become faithfull dogs of the US.
on tthe contrary.
whats the best solution we can achieve knwoing that they are against us?
up to now we achieved no solution
...........

gebaston my friend sorry for calling u "the enemy"

[gabaston]

i'll try once more.

are you sitting comfortably? Good then i'll begin

"We're NOT asking you to trust us!!!".

[gabaston]

cypezokyli

gebaston my friend sorry for calling u "the enemy"

No offence taken my freind.

just finished reading your fine post. looking forward to reading many more.

[MicAtCyp]

cypezokyli,

if the majority is wrong then the majority will pay the bill. If the minority is wrong then why should the majority pay? This is why people over centuries adopted the majority rule. Simple logic.

Bananiot for me is just a preacher. He usually throws some monologues in the forum and if you try to get into a point by point discussion with him he will divert to other preachings, to vague statements, irrelevant answers, paradoxes etc. Just look at his post Tue Aug 02, 2005 6: 39 pm and tell me what’s the relevance of what he said with the part he is presumably answering. Zip, just another preaching.

He is not just doing criticism. He is doing propaganda. Some facts, some lies, some distorted truths (look what he said about the funding of Unops) some rumors, some over inflated incidents of no importance, all mixed up to create an unbeleivable picture! In this country my friend we know very well what interests some people serve. Bananiot sides with those interests, i. e the American interests who want a "closing" of the Cyprus problem to the complete satisfaction of Turkey irrespective of whether that would mean the capitulation and the sacrifice of almost all rights of the GCs. Bananiot cannot see that such solution will lead to bloodshed.

About the really hypocritical cooperation of our politicians that you described very well, I beleive every Politician is serving some very strong interests. No politician can survive without serving interests. Even the most idealist one (why do you think HatziDemetriou was always the head of the Defence Committe).So the question is what interests is Papadopoulos serving, whether those interests are in line with the interests of the majority of GCs, and whether those interests will move us towards a solution or not.....Of course it goes without saying that unless these interests are in line with the Interests Talat is serving there will not be a solution either....

Let me give you an example. Lets suppose it is true that Papadopoulos works for the interests of the Hoteliers and tourist profiters in Cyprus.Just the opening of Famagusta would be a disaster for that group. We all know most of those who had the hotels in Famagusta already builted new ones so even for them Famagusta would be a problem.The tourism pie has a certain more or less fixed size for Cyprus. It will not grow bigger! On the other hand however he have the 50K Famagustans who will profit from by going home. The problem is since Papadopoulos already has the support of the Famagustans why should he risk the interests of the powerfull group of Hotel owners?The same of course works for the other side.Talat knows the opening of Famagusta will be a disaster for the GC Hotel owners and will benefit a lot the average GC and TC. However Talat doesn’t proceed because he thinks he can hit the GC Hoteliers interests on Tourism in another more profitable way i.e by getting direct flights without having to give up a good bargaining chip like Famagusta.However that proved to be impossible so far. So If I were Talat I would in fact negotiate the offer of Papadopoulos for Varoshia adding a term that no hotel will operate in Famagusta unless it has a TC partner and a nminimum quota for TC employees.This way I would destroy the interest group for which Papadopoulos serves.Of course all this scenario that Papadopoulos works for the interests of that group is hypothetical. Or is it not?
Anyway it's just an example.It's a long time now that I am trying to spot evidence of what strong interests Papadopoulos and Talat are serving.

Oh, by the way Denktash was never elected democratically. Ask the Tcs in the forum to tell you.

[cypezokyli]

MicAtCyp
i never said majorities are wrong
i just said they could be wrong
so we can keep the right of our opinion without being called traitors

i cannot and will not defend bananiot . ithink he can do it himself

as for the hypothetical example
the problem with papa is not what interest he serves, but his inability to work for a better solution since ha has rejected the old one. i fail to see any strategy in his policy

i wish i could but i dont.

in any case talat is not going to give varosia simply bc he doesnt want that pap wins sth by saying no. then according to talat that will make him even more not cooperative

do u want another hypothetical game. i happen to like them

remember the reasons that akel rejected the plan? some security reasons and guarantees that the trety would be applied and bla bla. in any case it had no problem with state - and community, no power sharing problems etc. etc.
as i said before ,pap had reasons to deny the plan while the akel not.
can u imagine erdogan saying i ll offer to akel everything it wants and i a want nothing in return? i dont really think it will cost anything for the tc, just him loosing face. in any case he can blow AKEL into pieces in just one night, by revealing all its hypocricy
....
hadjidimitriou is indeed an honest politician not bc he voted yes but bc he had the guts to resign. even though i think he didnot leave EDEK which is still diassapointing. just like kazamias.

anyway since the XAK scanal i dont trust any of them as working for the interest of the people.,and when i say all, i do mean all.