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[Bananiot]

Piratis, I give up. We seem to be talking at different wavelenghs.

[KYPROS-EINAI-ELLHNIKH]

You do not get it Piratis, do you? I am just a nobody, I have the right to criticise the officials, our elected lords. They are accountable. Can you get this into your head? This is the cornerstone of democracy. Papadopoulos and any other elected official, party apparachik etc, cannot do this to me without substantiating the accusations. If Papadopoulos says that I got money from UNOPS he has to prove it in a court of law. Otherwise he is meagre and a liar. He thrives on lies but this is because people like you prefer the blindfolds.

Why not critcize the The Denktator or Ali 'Human Rights' Talat?

[Piratis]

Piratis, I give up. We seem to be talking at different wavelenghs.

Give up, you are doing our country a favor.

[cypezokyli]

if bananiot gave up i will continue
i posted a couple of question but it seems that the conflict was teken personally. piratis vs babnaniot
so i ll post them again
is there or is there not a difference between the fascists of 1974 and the today criticisers of papadopoulos?

can majorities be wrong? yes or no?

in the case papadopoulos is to blame for crimes against tc or AKEL mambers should he be allowed to become our president?
just remember how yo we felt when we had denktash as a negotiator.
i repeat : IN THE CASE OF..
i am just wondering if if this is accepted only theoretically.

do you agree on paps stand on the lilikas case?

where is the better solution?

[Piratis]

is there or is there not a difference between the fascists of 1974 and the today criticisers of papadopoulos?

There are many criticizers of Papadopolos. I for example, gave him a very average "grade" when I was asked some time ago in a survey.
Who are the same like the fascists of 1974 are those that do not respect the democratically expressed will of the majority and they are helping the foreigners to force on us what we clearly said we do not want.

can majorities be wrong? yes or no?

Sure they can. But this can not be an excuse for anything otherwise even dictatorships would be excused. What we have is democracy, I hope you do not suggest to change our system?

in the case papadopoulos is to blame for crimes against tc or AKEL mambers should he be allowed to become our president?

The accusations against Papadopoulos have nothing to do with reality. Do you think that if Papadopoulos was collaborating with DISI to elect Cleredes that Bananiot etc would take the job of throwing mud at him every day?

Because some people decided to put mud on our president does this means he is guilty? If they have evidence that he made crimes then why they didn't take him to the court all this time?

where is the better solution?

We avoided the worst and we at least have the hope for something better.

[erolz]

Who are the same like the fascists of 1974 are those that do not respect the democratically expressed will of the majority and they are helping the foreigners to force on us what we clearly said we do not want.

GC saying that the decision to say no to the annan plan was wrong are traitors and facists in your view? That GC who believe the decision was wrong and work today to change peoples opinions on this are traitors and facists? In short anyone who dares to hold a minority will and explain why they hold and argue their position is a traitor and facist?

[Bananiot]

I said enough is enough but it seems I need to step in again. Piratis said:

The accusations against Papadopoulos have nothing to do with reality. Do you think that if Papadopoulos was collaborating with DISI to elect Cleredes that Bananiot etc would take the job of throwing mud at him every day?

Because some people decided to put mud on our president does this means he is guilty? If they have evidence that he made crimes then why they didn't take him to the court all this time?

Papadopoulos has been accused of being "Defkalion" ie the person who gave the green light for the execution of AKEL members and sympathisers during the EOKA period in Mesaoria and Karpas area. Eleven people fell to the bullets of EOKA from January to August in 1958. Defkalion, writing in "Egertirion Salpisma" said that the "executed got what was coming to them for the silver they collected for their treachery". He also wrote many things which if you read them will make your stomach turn inside out. Copies of the magazine "Egertrion Salpisma" can be found at the PIO and also at the offices of the "Association of EOKA Fighters".

AKEL has been calling for decades for light to be shed on the circumstances under which the crimes were committed. Recently, the issue was again on the agenda. Papadopoulos, initially seemed to be susceptive to the new call. Then he came up with this gem:

"I call upon the individual conscience of each EOKA area leader or executioner to restore the memory of any person that was wrongly accused and executed for treason. The people that know the facts have a duty to restore reality so that those which are wrongly accused will no longer live with the stigma of the traitor".

The area leaders of EOKA have on many occasions refused to do what Papadopoulos asked them to do. Papadopoulos knows this. He also knows that they refused to badge an inch even when their own are concerned, like Stephanides, the son of a priest and an EOKA fighter, who was also executed by EOKA for alleged treason. Yet, he makes a proposition that he knows that it has zero chance of being accepted. In this way he washes he hands and says to the unsuspecting ordinary AKEL members that, look, I want but they do not want. What else can I do?

[Piratis]

GC saying that the decision to say no to the annan plan was wrong are traitors and facists in your view?

Saying is one thing. Helping the foreigners to go against the will of the great majority of people is a totally different thing. Why they don't say "We disagree for such and such reasons but we accept the democratically expressed will of the majority"? Instead they say " 'no' voters were mislead, stupid etc" and they do not accept that Annan plan and the like is NOT what the great majority of GCs want.

Papadopoulos has been accused of being "Defkalion"

So what? People like you don't like him and you accuse him. Why we should believe you, and not him??
Cleredes for example is accused of being a CIA agent. Should we take this as a fact also?

[erolz]

Instead they say " 'no' voters were mislead, stupid etc" and they do not accept that Annan plan and the like is NOT what the great majority of GCs want.

If they believe this is true why should they not say it? Who should have a right to label them as traitors and facists for expressing their opinion?

[Viewpoint]

Piratis can you kindly answer my question with openess, can you not see that while you have Mr Papadop as leader we will never have a solution??? TCs will not say YES to anything he participates in as they view him as being a TC hater and have no tollerance for him or anything he does just like you hated and loathed Denktas, even worse for some TCs.