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Kikapu I am convinced you are a GC in disguise and even if I am wrong you might as well be one of them, on their side and you have no association with TCs whatsoever. You reside thousands of miles away and tell us what we should do and how we should think and that we are totally wrong in our "15 Century" thinking. Well Kikapu you are diluted bastardized individual who will do his people more harm than good, you stay abroad and rot there, forget us as we disown anyone with your mentality, luckily you are a minority and will stay that way. We live on the island and we breath this air on a daily basis, we have the right to live peacefully in our homeland and will defend the TRNC with our last breath. You have continuously criticised and aggravated TCs on this forum to a degree of nausea, not once have you spoken out against GC posts, I wonder why?. Those who are happy with GCs policies can go live with them no one is stopping you but until a time we feel comfortable enough to move towards unification we will maintain and try to improve our lives in the north with our only ally Turkey. Its not us that has to convince the GCs that unification is the best policy its the other way around and so so they have made a shit job of it, so either they are so self consumed they are unable to think straight or they just pay lip service to wanting a solution, which imo is more nearer the case.

Kikapu you deserve the "opolous" to your name that I gave you, we TCs are not your people forget us and never come back as we are "15 Century" people, you of a higher human being status should not associate with.

[Kikapu]

Kikapu,

Please grow up. Stop thinking you in the USA and GC buddies in Cyprus are the only ones, the gifted and chosen ones living in the 21st century. We, just like you are in the same century and are all enjoying the luxuries that it brings. It is for this reason alone that we demand direct flights and trade with the rest of the world.

Whilst there is talk of globalisation we the TC's are being alienated, this is as you say the 21st century and should not be the case.

How you come to the conclusion that I'm selfish and my attitude is me me me and screw the rest is puzzling to say the least. My struggle and desire is for my brothers and sisters to see better days, if this will be the result of re-unification then I'm fine with that. If it means separation and recognition of TRNC I'm fine with that too. As long as its a final, just and meaningful solution.

If you read my post about direct flights you should have noticed my biggest concern was the unnecessary landing and take off at which an aircraft is most vulnerable. So, having direct flights would be an hour shorter and will reduce accident risk. Is this too much too ask? Are we less human than our GC compatriots?

You claim to be compassionate and patriotic, how come this is questioned by every other TC member with exception of birkibrisli? If this is your idea of patriotism then it sure leaves a lot to be desired.

As for our GC friends that have lost their properties and are prevented from returning. Yes I feel for them, I sympathise with these people. But look at this from our side of the fence. Circumstances dictated that the 2 communities be separated. Since this separation the TC's, for the first time in their history feel like proper human beings, no more intimidation, no more domination and the feeling of second class citizens. They are enjoying this feeling and don't want it taken away from them. The Annan plan would have had the majority of GC's have their properties back and the choice of moving back to the north. They refused.

Now to you and BK. You are entitled to your opinions and you have your freedom of speech which nobody can take away from you. But by the same token you are expected to respect the TC's country that we all hug and love with a passion. It may be a country that we created and only recognised by Turkey but nevertheless it is our country and we are loyal to it. You may want to be represented by the RoC but 95% of TC's would be proud citizens of the TRNC and would choose it over the RoC every time.

So when you show contempt and disrespect to me, VP, Zan, Shah, Turkish_Cypriot etc etc you are showing it to the whole population of TC's.

You have not traveled back to Cyprus in 40 years. I have traveled back and forth all my life of 53 years, had I been treated like a decent citizen that I believe Iam at each visit to my home and not subjected to the treatment that I received may it be from immigration, police, traffic police, civil servants etc by my GC brothers I may have been in the same group as you and BK.

I have many Greek friends, at personal level we can get on like a house on fire but living as to separate communities, 2 groups of peoples this is nigh impossible. Us in the real world have learnt to accept this, you and BK choose not to, that's your choice but this does not give you the right to insult our nation that we have grown to love.

BTW, I could have responded to your post immediately after reading it, however I made myself a coffee and took long deep breaths to calm down before hitting the buttons on my keyboard. Next time I read such shit directed at me I will respond a lot differently , in fact it may even get me banned, you've been warned.

mrfromng,

Let me say first of all, I'm glad you had more sense than me, and had a cup of coffee instead of typing away. I felt like shit going to bed last night, because this is not my true nature of insulting people, specially, the people I do not know. I apologize to you sincerely.

I guess we all want better thing for Cyprus, is just that we all seem to approach it from different angles. Who's to say who is right and who is wrong, but one thing for sure mrfromng, I cannot bare to see our fellow citizens TC's and GC's longing for the day, that they can return to their homes. It is my basic human nature to give people their basic right and dignity. I know you and I did not cause all this problems, and neither did 99% of all Cypriots, but do we have to sit along the sidelines, and watch the game from there, or be actually on the playing field, to do our part. I want to be in the game, and change the rules as it has been applied for the last 44 years. I get the impression from my TC brothers, that just playing our own game in the penalty zone is enough, but I want to play on the whole field..

I hope you have a pleasant flight to "down under".

[pitsilos]

Kikapu I am convinced you are a GC in disguise

do you mind telling us which vips is convinced?

a quick question vips.

do you understand as to why the gc will never allow the opening of the ports or anything that resembles recognition?

before answering can you actually put your feet in their shoes?

[Kikapu]

Kikapu I am convinced you are a GC in disguise and even if I am wrong you might as well be one of them, on their side and you have no association with TCs whatsoever. You reside thousands of miles away and tell us what we should do and how we should think and that we are totally wrong in our "15 Century" thinking. Well Kikapu you are diluted bastardized individual who will do his people more harm than good, you stay abroad and rot there, forget us as we disown anyone with your mentality, luckily you are a minority and will stay that way. We live on the island and we breath this air on a daily basis, we have the right to live peacefully in our homeland and will defend the TRNC with our last breath. You have continuously criticised and aggravated TCs on this forum to a degree of nausea, not once have you spoken out against GC posts, I wonder why?. Those who are happy with GCs policies can go live with them no one is stopping you but until a time we feel comfortable enough to move towards unification we will maintain and try to improve our lives in the north with our only ally Turkey. Its not us that has to convince the GCs that unification is the best policy its the other way around and so so they have made a shit job of it, so either they are so self consumed they are unable to think straight or they just pay lip service to wanting a solution, which imo is more nearer the case.

Kikapu you deserve the "opolous" to your name that I gave you, we TCs are not your people forget us and never come back as we are "15 Century" people, you of a higher human being status should not associate with.

I'll get back to you when I have more time. By the way, I belong to 100% of Cyprus, so you cannot keep me out of what you say is "yours". That's what you don't get, because of your narrow-vision.

[miltiades]

Kikapu Posted :
"""I belong to 100% of Cyprus, """"

And so do I , AND SO DOES EVERY CYPRIOT INCLUDING VP !!!

[Viewpoint]

Kikapu I am convinced you are a GC in disguise and even if I am wrong you might as well be one of them, on their side and you have no association with TCs whatsoever. You reside thousands of miles away and tell us what we should do and how we should think and that we are totally wrong in our "15 Century" thinking. Well Kikapu you are diluted bastardized individual who will do his people more harm than good, you stay abroad and rot there, forget us as we disown anyone with your mentality, luckily you are a minority and will stay that way. We live on the island and we breath this air on a daily basis, we have the right to live peacefully in our homeland and will defend the TRNC with our last breath. You have continuously criticised and aggravated TCs on this forum to a degree of nausea, not once have you spoken out against GC posts, I wonder why?. Those who are happy with GCs policies can go live with them no one is stopping you but until a time we feel comfortable enough to move towards unification we will maintain and try to improve our lives in the north with our only ally Turkey. Its not us that has to convince the GCs that unification is the best policy its the other way around and so so they have made a shit job of it, so either they are so self consumed they are unable to think straight or they just pay lip service to wanting a solution, which imo is more nearer the case.

Kikapu you deserve the "opolous" to your name that I gave you, we TCs are not your people forget us and never come back as we are "15 Century" people, you of a higher human being status should not associate with.

I'll get back to you when I have more time. By the way, I belong to 100% of Cyprus, so you cannot keep me out of what you say is "yours". That's what you don't get, because of your narrow-vision.

The fact that you and people like you are not welcomed by people like me does not mean that you cannot visit, we are not that uncivilized as you would appear to think we are. You are free to come and go as you wish but don't expect to find many people that think like you here life has move on since your time, people are more educated and have more information available at their finger tips and there fore can decide for themselves what is best for them and their people.

[Issy1956]

Kikapu,
Yes I have read your draft and I have no problems with it in principle but I doubt that it will ever be implemented. There is no will on the part of the GC's to come to a solution-this has been manifestly exposed by the referendum and the lack of any movement post 2004. The game plan is to keep the TC's isolated and grind them into the ground. There is not a sincere desire to come to a solution and an unwillingness to accept partition.
However I must adress a fundamental point that goes to the core of the Cyprus dispute in that you describe the ROC as the sole recognised government in Cyprus. It may be but crucially it is not accepted or recognised by the vast majority of TC's as their government. It is not mine and in its present state I will never accept it as such. The last legitimate Government of Cyprus was usurped in 1963 by the GC's and I get intensely irritated by GC's and others who to this date describe our expulsion both from the governemnt and in some cases our homes as the the "turkish cypriot rebellion". This is the core of the arguement. We were the co founders of the Greco-Turkish republic and we have had our rights usurped and we have been cast into the wilderness for 40 years.
The ROC is not a government that has our interests at heart is it? It has done nothing except try to destroy us for almost all of its existence. Can you understand how I feel on this issue.
The people who have done the most to cement partition is the GC's lead by Tpap. He with his rejectionist viewpoint has almost ensured that we will ende up with an "our" and "their" part of Cyprus. We have that "de facto" it only needs a de jure recognition which in due course we will have. Dont blame us we vetoed yes blame those who cannot bear the thought of any TC having any part to play in the Government of Cyprus. The ROC is represents them-not us. This is fundamental.
The point about direct flights is not necessarily about recognition -it is first and foremost about economic development. Tourists dont like unneccarily long flights and transfer time. This is what its all about.

[miltiades]

Kikapu,
Yes I have read your draft and I have no problems with it in principle but I doubt that it will ever be implemented. There is no will on the part of the GC's to come to a solution-this has been manifestly exposed by the referendum and the lack of any movement post 2004. The game plan is to keep the TC's isolated and grind them into the ground. There is not a sincere desire to come to a solution and an unwillingness to accept partition.
However I must adress a fundamental point that goes to the core of the Cyprus dispute in that you describe the ROC as the sole recognised government in Cyprus. It may be but crucially it is not accepted or recognised by the vast majority of TC's as their government. It is not mine and in its present state I will never accept it as such. The last legitimate Government of Cyprus was usurped in 1963 by the GC's and I get intensely irritated by GC's and others who to this date describe our expulsion both from the governemnt and in some cases our homes as the the "turkish cypriot rebellion". This is the core of the arguement. We were the co founders of the Greco-Turkish republic and we have had our rights usurped and we have been cast into the wilderness for 40 years.
The ROC is not a government that has our interests at heart is it? It has done nothing except try to destroy us for almost all of its existence. Can you understand how I feel on this issue.
The people who have done the most to cement partition is the GC's lead by Tpap. He with his rejectionist viewpoint has almost ensured that we will ende up with an "our" and "their" part of Cyprus. We have that "de facto" it only needs a de jure recognition which in due course we will have. Dont blame us we vetoed yes blame those who cannot bear the thought of any TC having any part to play in the Government of Cyprus. The ROC is represents them-not us. This is fundamental.
The point about direct flights is not necessarily about recognition -it is first and foremost about economic development. Tourists dont like unneccarily long flights and transfer time. This is what its all about.

Issy are you not forgetting the 200 thousand Cypriots thrown out of their ancestral lands ?Fairness must be applied to all grievances and not directed only to one side. The RoC is your government just as much as it is mine. Go and get it. No Cypriot court will deny you or any other Cypriot for that matter the rights available under the legislature.
As for direct flights , whaT is wrong with using the internationally recognised airports in Cyprus , please do not forget the the entire International community sees the North of Cyprus as part of Cyprus but under the occupation of Turkey.

[LENA]

The point about direct flights is not necessarily about recognition -it is first and foremost about economic development. Tourists dont like unneccarily long flights and transfer time. This is what its all about.

Are you naïve or you are really trying to put sugar on it? Anyhow it will never taste better. “This is what it’s all about?” Do you believe that it’s so tiny thing? Come on Issy. The flights, the passport issue at the borders…are the first small steps to the recognition. It’s not a tiny and innocent step. You said that tourist doesn’t like unnecessarily long flights etc…so you care about tourist more that Cypriots. You care about the foreigners than your compatriots. Is that what is all about? You keep telling us…its nothing…its not a recognition if you show your passport in the borders, its not a recognition if you use the flights from/ to TRNC, we don’t have the same opportunities….but if its suits you to say its recognition to pass the borders and issue visa, its recognition to use flights from/ to TRNC using again your passport and having a stamp from a “country” called TRNC, EU and USA recognise your degrees in TRNC Universities…so you are in the procedure of recognition! You want us to dance every time with the way you want. If its suits you to be called recognised…you do that…if its not … it’s just a simple thing its not recognition. But please let us know at least the kind of dance is it Karsilamas/Antikristos, Zeybek/Zeymbekikos, Sirtos, Orak, Kozan, Testi or my favour Ciftetelli?

[MR-from-NG]

Kikapu,

Please grow up. Stop thinking you in the USA and GC buddies in Cyprus are the only ones, the gifted and chosen ones living in the 21st century. We, just like you are in the same century and are all enjoying the luxuries that it brings. It is for this reason alone that we demand direct flights and trade with the rest of the world.

Whilst there is talk of globalisation we the TC's are being alienated, this is as you say the 21st century and should not be the case.

How you come to the conclusion that I'm selfish and my attitude is me me me and screw the rest is puzzling to say the least. My struggle and desire is for my brothers and sisters to see better days, if this will be the result of re-unification then I'm fine with that. If it means separation and recognition of TRNC I'm fine with that too. As long as its a final, just and meaningful solution.

If you read my post about direct flights you should have noticed my biggest concern was the unnecessary landing and take off at which an aircraft is most vulnerable. So, having direct flights would be an hour shorter and will reduce accident risk. Is this too much too ask? Are we less human than our GC compatriots?

You claim to be compassionate and patriotic, how come this is questioned by every other TC member with exception of birkibrisli? If this is your idea of patriotism then it sure leaves a lot to be desired.

As for our GC friends that have lost their properties and are prevented from returning. Yes I feel for them, I sympathise with these people. But look at this from our side of the fence. Circumstances dictated that the 2 communities be separated. Since this separation the TC's, for the first time in their history feel like proper human beings, no more intimidation, no more domination and the feeling of second class citizens. They are enjoying this feeling and don't want it taken away from them. The Annan plan would have had the majority of GC's have their properties back and the choice of moving back to the north. They refused.

Now to you and BK. You are entitled to your opinions and you have your freedom of speech which nobody can take away from you. But by the same token you are expected to respect the TC's country that we all hug and love with a passion. It may be a country that we created and only recognised by Turkey but nevertheless it is our country and we are loyal to it. You may want to be represented by the RoC but 95% of TC's would be proud citizens of the TRNC and would choose it over the RoC every time.

So when you show contempt and disrespect to me, VP, Zan, Shah, Turkish_Cypriot etc etc you are showing it to the whole population of TC's.

You have not traveled back to Cyprus in 40 years. I have traveled back and forth all my life of 53 years, had I been treated like a decent citizen that I believe Iam at each visit to my home and not subjected to the treatment that I received may it be from immigration, police, traffic police, civil servants etc by my GC brothers I may have been in the same group as you and BK.

I have many Greek friends, at personal level we can get on like a house on fire but living as to separate communities, 2 groups of peoples this is nigh impossible. Us in the real world have learnt to accept this, you and BK choose not to, that's your choice but this does not give you the right to insult our nation that we have grown to love.

BTW, I could have responded to your post immediately after reading it, however I made myself a coffee and took long deep breaths to calm down before hitting the buttons on my keyboard. Next time I read such shit directed at me I will respond a lot differently , in fact it may even get me banned, you've been warned.

mrfromng,

Let me say first of all, I'm glad you had more sense than me, and had a cup of coffee instead of typing away. I felt like shit going to bed last night, because this is not my true nature of insulting people, specially, the people I do not know. I apologize to you sincerely.

I guess we all want better thing for Cyprus, is just that we all seem to approach it from different angles. Who's to say who is right and who is wrong, but one thing for sure mrfromng, I cannot bare to see our fellow citizens TC's and GC's longing for the day, that they can return to their homes. It is my basic human nature to give people their basic right and dignity. I know you and I did not cause all this problems, and neither did 99% of all Cypriots, but do we have to sit along the sidelines, and watch the game from there, or be actually on the playing field, to do our part. I want to be in the game, and change the rules as it has been applied for the last 44 years. I get the impression from my TC brothers, that just playing our own game in the penalty zone is enough, but I want to play on the whole field..

I hope you have a pleasant flight to "down under".

Kikapu,

Its obvious the post was written in a moment of anger and the choice of words were not what we are used to from you. Lets say it was out of character.

Your apology and well wishes for my flight to Aussieland is very much appreciated.

As I said before I like your sense of humour and generally like reading your posts. No hard feelings and keep posting.