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[Viewpoint]

Pyrpoliser , Ataturk was a great man for his country , he modernised Turkey and focused on the the future , ignoring the past , I honestly beleive the if Turkey had an Ataturk today , the world would pay homage to his wisdom and political maturity. He was a great diplomat , a man of vision and a moderniser for his country.

If only more GCs thought like you, you are a minority in a minority.

[Issy1956]

Kikapu,
By the way you can only vote if you are a British passport holder. If you are,you and every other TC should in opinion vote yes for direct flights to our part of Cyprus. I want a unified cyprus as much as anyone one but not at the cost of accepting the ROC as the sole ligitimate representative of all the cypriot people. It is clearly a GC state run by and for the benefit of the GC's.The ROC doesnt hold over interests close to its heart it does all it can to isolate and to destroy us. For christ sake what have we been arguing over all these years

[pitsilos]

Pyrpoliser , Ataturk was a great man for his country , he modernised Turkey and focused on the the future , ignoring the past , I honestly beleive the if Turkey had an Ataturk today , the world would pay homage to his wisdom and political maturity. He was a great diplomat , a man of vision and a moderniser for his country.

If only more GCs thought like you, you are a minority in a minority.

and today his great work can be seen from the moon.

atamalakas ideas have well and truly reached the by use date. the world has moved on. but today we see the continuation of ideas that have been redundant by the rest of the civilised countries. by todays standards atamalakas ideas fall in sync with those of mugabe.

[pitsilos]

For christ sake what have we been arguing over all these years

ethnically cleansing of 200,000 comes to mind

[LENA]

I keep reading this topic…and honestly I don’t understand what exactly do you want from us?

I want a unified cyprus as much as anyone one but not at the cost of accepting the ROC as the sole ligitimate representative of all the cypriot people. It is clearly a GC state run by and for the benefit of the GC's.The ROC doesnt hold over interests close to its heart it does all it can to isolate and to destroy us. For christ sake what have we been arguing over all these years

Issy…I will do to you the same question. What have you been arguing over? What exactly is that you demand? Do you want the RoC to change everything in favour of the TCs and say to the rest of us f*? Each country establishes their laws on the population. I know that in Germany have thousands of Turkish people, I never heard anyone demand from them to change their regulations in favour of the Turks…But we are willing to do that…we are changing our laws, our politicians, government papers…we translate every fucking paper in the country just to show you that we respect your language and your rights…I know that we have to do lots of things more…but here you ask from us to change the whole country, to name it Turkish f* thing, to sale our country to Turkey just to show you that we do not consider you us a minority. You said that you don’t want the RoC as representative of all Cypriot people….BUT you want unification. Should I laugh now or later. Are we playing games here with words? A unified Cyprus has only one president, one law, one government, one representative…ONE!!! Not 2 representative governments for one “unified country”. And what exactly are you asking for us…to say ok we want you (TC) to feel ok so we are going to turn upside down everything and we are going to have 60-70% TC politicians in the government and 30-40% GC politicians just to show you that we do not consider you as a minority. We don’t care if that fair representation of the population…we just want you to feel ok!!! Please!!!!! I am in favour of the unification but fair for everyone!!!!

We have to forget 1974 because we wanted Enosis before that…because as you all said we made you suffer but we had a great time you know…we was having a party for all this years…right…if you are not able to remember the period from 1974-2007 but you can remember only before that…read all this …you might understand what we have been arguing all this years….

You forget of course ,that a very small number of Greek-Cypriots (the enclaved) still remain in the occupied north (404 of them in total), and their fundamental human rights are consistently violated.Nobody from the Tcs interested for these people.

@Turkish_Cypriot

First of all TRashNcan is not your country. The only agreement we ever had with you for our Country is the agreement and whatever law the RoC represents. You can have direct flights -in fact you are already having direct flights at Larnaca Airport.It only takes 30 minutes from there to go anywhere you want. The same time is needed for GCs who live in Limassol or in Nicosia

Secondly you want direct flights in TRashNcan for what? To subsidise the (against EU law) at so low rates as to flood the place with cheap tourists. To put them where? On hotels built on stolen Greek Cypriot land. To achieve what? To destroy whatever good name the GCs have created in tourism all over Europe and to destroy the high class and expensive tourism we the GCs managed to make Cyprus as a destination. Yes we made Cyprus an expensive and quality destination.
And to finally achieve what? The total distraction of our Tourist Industry, the complete sale of our stolen properties in the occupied, and the final partition.

As for your Ataturk We already established in other discussions he was nothing but a pervert, hence you were brainwashed with lies and fantasies.

I will not stop talking about Turkey and the fact that her aim from as back as the 60s was to take 37% of Cyprus. This was pre-planned and the TCs were used and put in sufferring for Turkeys ultimate, nationalistic, and expansionist cause.

From the moment BabaDenktash locked you up for 33 years ago you never cared to even think where the hell all those GCs we outsted from here are now living. Do they have food, do they have water dp they have jobs. No, you were busy exporting our stolen furniture, refrigerators jewellery you found ready in the occupied. Yes we suffered for many years we were expecting from one day to another we would return and continue our lives. No-one of you ever cared. When we couldn’t stand it anymore we were doing demonstrations at the buffer zone. You were coming there and shooting at us with real weapons, so we were getting back to our tents in despair. At some stage our women thought they would do a WOMEN ONLY demonstration, you our brothers would not be so barbarians to hurt defendless women? And what did we see? You our brothers pulling our women from the hair on the ground as if they were animals and beating them. One of those women was TITINA LOIZIDOU. Remember this name?

Slowly slowly however wiping our tears off and losing our smile and our laughter FOR EVER (Oh, how I hate coming to the occupied and see you all smiling and laughing- who the hell got our laughter away?) well we at least advanced economically. You know why? Because we were not hiding away like thieves doing nothing for 30 years waiting for a stupid TRashNcan to be recognised. We worked legally and honestly and we adsvanced.

At that peak of our advanceyour Denktash opened you the gates and you saw us and thought wow these "urumchuk" dogs got advanced because they stole uur rights in RoC. Yet we were so brave that even then we said, it’s OK we forgive you your rights are here you are welcome to take them back and give us ours back. Although it’s been too late, lets forget everything and make a good start….

But you are still so greedy and stupid you think you are going to get even more than what you had before. To those of you who think like that I have only 2 words to say: Get lost !/b]
I personally feel contempt for each and everyopne of you who thinks like that and [b] my contempt is going to sho in each and every word I spell in this forum.

Not all TCs are like that though. If All TCs were like that I would never want to unite with them. I know personally. For those who are not I feel nothing but the ultimate respect. I just consider them people like me.

If that’s not enough take a look in this section….you will find lots of interesting facts about the “forgotten period” for you ….All this people like Pyros, Miltiades...have memories which burn their hearts...but still they want to move on...they fight for that...but they do not have selective memory as it please their ego like you...They want to step back a bit to be able to forgive and unified. But noooooo....TCs are suffering from us...we forgot what happened before 1974....we tread you as a minority....shame to the GCs...for that the punishment is to force them to forget that their countries border are from Kyrenia to Larnaca and from S. Andrea to Akama...

We said we want to move on, we said we want a unified country, we said we want to live in peace. Is that so difficult to understand what we are fighting for???

[T_C]

Yeah ignoramusilos, the world started in 1974...keep telling yourself that.

I couldn't care less what you think about Ataturk. You obviously dont know about Ataturks political philosophies or what he did for Turkish people. I dread to think what Turkey would of been like had it not been for Ataturk (in all aspects..people and size of Turkey).

Despite what you say Ataturk is respected all over the world, theres statues of him in Havana, Cuba, the Ataturk Memorial in Wellington, New Zealand, the Ataturk Forest in Israel, the Ataturk Memorial in the place of honour on ANZAC drive in Canberra, Australia. Theres also the Kemal Ataturk Avenue in one of the busiest and well-known streets of Bangladesh so your comments on Ataturk are as relevant as the dried up cat piss in my garden.

And for your information Ataturk was fighting in Galipoli in 1915 when the Armenian "genocide" didnt occur so get your facts right.

[pitsilos]

Yeah ignoramusilos, the world started in 1974...keep telling yourself that.

yes dektashflikistani, keep on justifying ethnic cleansing.

atamalakas, made sure the turks never see a bright day, destined to remain a 3rd world country, with 3rd world mentality, and your thinking bares testament to it, with an economy to boot for atleast the next 500 years.

enjoy. but remember, the eu is not laughing with you but at you.

[T_C]

Militades I understand what you mean but what am I supposed to say when most of the Greek Cypriots here just think about land and nothing more. Despite what they say its clear they don't like Turkish people in the slightest. They ridicule Turks and put them down then turn around and say they want to be unified. When they talk about the Cyprus problem they always start at 1974 and forget about what happened before like its not relevant, yet expect the Turkish Cypriots to feel sorry for them and apologise about what happened in 74.

They ignore all the problems prior to 74 and act as though Turkey came just for the purpose of taking their houses.


[The problem was very real and Turkish Cypriots have already fallen into the trap of "we want to get along". I dont understand how people expect us to show understanding to the Greek Cypriots when they completely turn a blind eye to their own wrong doings like it was nothing and act like we have no right to complain or not trust them.

How can we sort anything out when Greek Cypriots just dont care about what happened to us, only them?

My dear Turkish Cypriot compatriot. There are many many G/Cs who share my view and regard you and all the T/Cs as our compatriots , our equal partners in the land of our birth. There are many obstacles the biggest being the identity issue. No G/C will today accept the division of Cyprus and the annexation of part of Cyprus to Turkey , just as the T/Cs would not accept Enosis with Greece. I'm a passionate Cypriot
who considers the G/Cs and The T/Cs as my brothers and sisters , my compatriots , the people that took their first breath in Cyprus just as I did. The problem is this : Turkey occupies part of our country. If Greece was occupying any part of Cyprus I would say exactly the same .
We have to find a way to instill in our people the need to embrace our identity , and waving foreign flags does not help. Try interacting with other Cypriots , just as I do on a daily basis , and you will see how much we have in common.
I raise my glass and drink to you my friend , will you do the same .

Militades I understand where you're coming from, and I know what you mean. I agree with how much we have in common, I see Greeks like Christian Turks and Turks like Muslim Greeks. I want to move on too, but some people here are foolish because they claim to like us, they claim to want to live with us, they go on and on about how we are/should be Cypriots but then go off on one calling us "thieves" and so on at the 1st chance they get...

I know you guys suffered too but its you lot who have flourished while we've been rotting away on the other side, and some of you carry on as though we've been having parties and enjoying being isolated. It was the GCs that joined the EU, its you guys who are OK as you are in anycase. If you think we were used by Turkey and you actually care then why cant you understand what a vulnerable position the TCs are in? Not only will we be a minority but if the unification of Cyprus turns out to be a mistake then there will be no turning back and all these years of suffering will be for nothing!

Turkish Cypriots just want to live in peace but theyre REALLY paranoid so going against them is just going to push them further. GC population is much bigger and intimidating for TCs, if GCs want things to be sorted out then theyre going to have to be the "big brothers" and lead the way or build trust, not try corner them and mock them. In comparison to GC's, TC's are really insecure, confused and stuck in the middle.

I also dont think it helps having someone like popodolop or whatever his name is as president coz I think if anything is going to be done its going to have to be done by the GC government. If it does happen then I know TCs will tell Turkey where to go. I know alot of GCs want to unite and have good intentions but the government which is the most important factor doesnt seem to.

[andri_cy]

I don't quite get the message...."your face is darkened"

Yani bir rezilliksin!

Kisacasi: ayıp, utan, yazıklar olsun, nankor, enayi, yuzsuz, ahmak, alcak...etc etc...

Istedigini sec, hepsi saa aitdir gardas...Kibrisin birlesmesini istersan tamamda, KKTCye bu gadar dusman cikman cok ayip.

Tuh!

Hade...dal o sozlugun icine...

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[T_C]

Yeah ignoramusilos, the world started in 1974...keep telling yourself that.

yes dektashflikistani, keep on justifying ethnic cleansing.

atamalakas, made sure the turks never see a bright day, destined to remain a 3rd world country, with 3rd world mentality, and your thinking bares testament to it, with an economy to boot for atleast the next 500 years.

enjoy. but remember, the eu is not laughing with you but at you.

Im not justifying ethnic cleansing fool! What are you talking about if it wasnt for Ataturk Turkey would of been a complete Islamic country?

You keep laughing. When Turkey tells the EU to go fuck themselves and builds a great big wall in Cyprus with Ataturks picture sticking his middle finger at you from the mountains then we'll be the only ones laughing.