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[humanist]

The values shared by some turkish speaking cypriots on this forum are contradictory, hypocritical and built on lies, thieving and deceit, when it come to settler issues they stand and argue that settlers are human also and we need to take that into consideration when making any decisions for a solution to the Cyprus Problem, however when it comes to the Greek Speaking Cypriots in Karpas, well the response from felow Cypriots is well if they don't like it they can leave. Well you have not driven those heroes out of their rightful place for 32 years there is no way you will drive them out now. Our fellow Cypriots belive that it is right to force someone out of their home and then go and sell it, I can see a great deal of integrity in that. I might try it next time I see a house that I like. Some speakers on this forum believe that what happened to them in 1960's was wrong so what they are saying now is that lets perpetrate the same discrimination we faced back then on oters because that is guarantee to stop the cycle of victimisation. Unfortunately there are very few inteligent people on this earth and they know who they are because they fight for justice not eye for an eye. Eye for an eye breads hate, hate leads to anger and anger to violence. So instead of changing this they want to take the victim identity and go on and on and on. Perhaps we should say to Europe well if the TC's don't like the isolation and they are silly enough to accept living under turkish regime lets just leave it there and if they don't like it they can go to turkey where they will be free of economic embargo.

Please, be able to look at the other side of the coin. But sme TC's I suspect have done well out of the occupation of northern Cyprus and that is why they are happy to see their fellow Cypriots suffer at theur expense and having their human rights vilated on daily basis. Let us not forget that Turkey was found guilty for its invasion of Cyprus. To this day Turkey and its supporters violate more people's human rights than Cyprus has ever done. Turkey is currently violating the human rights of Cypriots Greek/ Turkish Speaking) Armenians, Kurds and Turks themselves if they are intelligent enough to recgnise the atrocities it perpetrates on others and speak about it. Infact they shoot them down.

Is that the sort of identity I wish to adopt, is that the sort of country I would like to see in Europe. I think NOT

[seleucus Nicator]

The 404 people in question could just walk across to the south if they so wished. A bit different to the 63 scenario I would guess.

Sorry, but there is a big difference in the English language between "go away" and "leave if they so wish".

And in any case you can only accommodate so much after that is becomes a case of "take it or leave it"

I would expecting something more constructive from the Turkish elite but now i can understand why the Turkish edition of Mein Kampf was reported to be a bestseller in Turkey in March 2005.

[MR-from-NG]

The 404 people in question could just walk across to the south if they so wished. A bit different to the 63 scenario I would guess.

Sorry, but there is a big difference in the English language between "go away" and "leave if they so wish".

And in any case you can only accommodate so much after that is becomes a case of "take it or leave it"

I would expecting something more constructive from the Turkish elite but now i can understand why the Turkish edition of Mein Kampf was reported to be a bestseller in Turkey in March 2005.

Sorry, not Turkish elite here. Just a simple TC kicked out of his country back in 63. Not involved politically. Just own views. Don't read political stuff. My opinions are mine only, no influence from anybody.

[Pyrpolizer]

Still waiting your reply mrfromng.....

[MR-from-NG]

Let's take things from the begining. The enclaved GCs in Karpasia were 14,000. Now there are only 400 (are you sure I think they are only 220?)

By the minute a child was becoming 12 he had no option but to go to the free areas for education. After that child dared "leave" the paradise he/she was never allowed to return. So most parents had to "leave" the paradise as well to be together with their children. After they left they were not allowed to return either.Besides their homes and lands were immediately grabbed by settlers.

So mrfromng is this what you were trying to say by "leave if they so wish" ???

Pyrpolizer,

the figure of 404 was mentioned a few days ago on a thread. I don't know if it is correct or not.

The situation these people are in cant be that good. I stopped in Karpaz and spoke to a family when I asked for directions, they spoke very highly of the place as well as their treatment, maybe they were trying to please me.

However this may not mean they are mistreated. My friend its hardly a perfect world we live in let alone a place like Cyprus who has had instability and internal conflict for as long as it has existed.

The important thing is for people to learn from their mistakes and avoid repeating them.

Must pack for Australia now, speak to you guys after the 9th of March.

BTW, I will be meeting birkibrisli in Sydney, will send you a message with him. Bye all.

[Pyrpolizer]

Have a nice trip mrfromng. Give our best regards to Birkibrisli there. Enjoy your meeting together brothers.

[seleucus Nicator]

The 404 people in question could just walk across to the south if they so wished. A bit different to the 63 scenario I would guess.

Sorry, but there is a big difference in the English language between "go away" and "leave if they so wish".

And in any case you can only accommodate so much after that is becomes a case of "take it or leave it"

I would expecting something more constructive from the Turkish elite but now i can understand why the Turkish edition of Mein Kampf was reported to be a bestseller in Turkey in March 2005.

Sorry, not Turkish elite here. Just a simple TC kicked out of his country back in 63. Not involved politically. Just own views. Don't read political stuff. My opinions are mine only, no influence from anybody.

Sorry for the offensive post but sometime has to stop this and everybody must have his human rights .
Have a nice trip