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vips, if turkey remains on track turkey itself will go through changes with harmonizing laws with the eu.

the echr gave us a taste of what some of these laws are.

if turkey accepts the harmonzation laws from the eu, she will have to implement them, and in return they will trickle down on you to which you will have no choice but to accept, if turkey already accepted them.

Rather a long shot but hey lets not burst your bubble.

[pitsilos]

you are shortsighted and thats the problem

if you think turkey will be the same in the next 5 years, indeed kikapu is right your mentality is stuck in the past

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you are shortsighted and thats the problem

if you think turkey will be the same in the next 5 years, indeed kikapu is right your mentality is stuck in the past

Wast it you and your cohorts screaming that Turkey is not European ans will never enter the EU.....now you wish for her to adopt EU laws that will in turn influnce us. Well let me tell you Turkey had adopted many EU laws already and so has the TRNC but no those that will give you the north back. The EU cannot force anything upon us.

[miltiades]

Kikapu Posted :
"""I belong to 100% of Cyprus, """"

And so do I , AND SO DOES EVERY CYPRIOT INCLUDING VP !!!

The RoC has nothing to do with me its a GC state run by GCs for GCs and there does not represent me in anyway shape or form.

I belong and love the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, its home even with all its faults....

If it is home to you why is it not the home of the 200 thousand of Cypriots who were forced out at gun point. Do you not think that they have a legitimate right to their country, should they just forget it and , recognise the occupied part as Turkish , and by this I mean Turkish , Not T/C .
You are a divisionist , you are utterly absorbed by your paymasters and have lost all Cypriot Turkish identity.

I have always stated that refugees should get their property rights back, the property commission has been set up for this purpose, feel free to apply who knows within a few months you may get your property back or compensation but of course you run the risk of going against the GC national policy and being labelled a traitor.

VP , I hoped you would by now have formed a more accurate assessment of me. Being labeled a traitor is the least of my worries , capitulating to an occupying force and accepting or applying for compensation is anathema to all that I stand for. I have not visited the North on principle , although I have stated previously that I would allow my self one indiscretion and meet friends , like Kikapu , Bir , mrfromng or indeed you VP in any part of Cyprus be it Kyrenia Famagusta , Limassol or any where else on our island. May I also say that that distinct difference between your platform and mine is the fact that I can say with hand on my heart , on my mother's grave that I do not bear one iota of animosity towards my fellow Cypriots the T/CS , I have many friends , some with whom we disagree on many points , but I would like to think that they have for me what I have for them , a true love of a Cypriot for another. I can say without any hesitation that I have love for my T/C compatriots and meeting them is always a pleasure just as much as meeting other Cypriots. As you know the nature of my business is such that almost on a daily basis I interact with T/Cs so I get to know them as no different from the G/Cs.
LONG LIVE CYPRUS VP AND ALL WHO HAIL FROM IT !!

[Kikapu]

Kikapu you deserve the "opolous" to your name that I gave you, we TCs are not your people forget us and never come back as we are "15 Century" people, you of a higher human being status should not associate with.

VP,

You can take that "opolous" and stick it in your "opolous" as far as it can go, because I got my use out of it already.

Did you really think, that "Kikapuopolous" really bothered me.? Did you think I was that weak.? What a fool. I was testing you. I even gave you few hints, but you never caught on. I told you that I was "measuring" you, you know, what kind of a man you are. I put the word "traitor" in your mouth, again you did not catch on. Then I pushed you and pushed you, but I could not get the word traitor out of you. Then I insulted you with very nasty words, and still, not a pip out of our mouth. I even put you in a "shit hole" and gave you a spoon, and still, you could not say the word "traitor". So what were the results.

I have learned from you, that you are not able to pass over your convictions. That can be a good thing and a bad thing, but that's how you are. You could not call me a traitor, because you did not believe I was one. Your convictions would not allow it, no matter how hard I pushed you. The same can be said to your convictions towards a Partition. You believe in it, therefore it is a waste of time trying to talk Unified Cyprus with you, because your convictions will not allow you.

I could have told you I was an agent of the RoC, or a double agent, or even a double-double agent, and your convictions would not let you call me a traitor, because you knew deep down, I'm one of you, except that I talks back at you, and not with you, in what you want to do, and that is to have a Partition.

The test has been over VP, so anything you say now, to call me a traitor or anything else, is totally meaningless, because it will be a forced result, and that does not count. So stop with your little whining about me not belonging amongst the TC's, because you have already approved me, whether you knew it at the time or not. Hello Brother.

Be on your guard, because I may run another test on you soon, but it will be nothing like the last one, so just do what you normally do, and I'll let you know , when the results come in.

[Kikapu]

Kikapu,

Its obvious the post was written in a moment of anger and the choice of words were not what we are used to from you. Lets say it was out of character.

Your apology and well wishes for my flight to Aussieland is very much appreciated.

As I said before I like your sense of humour and generally like reading your posts. No hard feelings and keep posting.

mrfromng,

I really appreciate you accepting my apologies, and it is not because I'm afraid that you can lay insults as much as I can, if not more, but because it is totally unnecessary. Besides, I hate to see either one or both of us getting banned from the forum. The place will become very quite, I'm sure, without us.

Anyway, hope to have more civil conversations with you, once you return to the "Northern Hemisphere" again.

Once again, have a safe travel.

[pitsilos]

you are shortsighted and thats the problem

if you think turkey will be the same in the next 5 years, indeed kikapu is right your mentality is stuck in the past

Wast it you and your cohorts screaming that Turkey is not European ans will never enter the EU.....now you wish for her to adopt EU laws that will in turn influnce us. Well let me tell you Turkey had adopted many EU laws already and so has the TRNC but no those that will give you the north back. The EU cannot force anything upon us.

defiant till the end vips? that will be yours and your communities downfall. just wait and see the outcome.

its not what i wish you moron, its what turkey wants as a country

if turkey was gonna walk away from the eu, she would have done it already. ask your self as to why she hasn't yet.

[Viewpoint]

you are shortsighted and thats the problem

if you think turkey will be the same in the next 5 years, indeed kikapu is right your mentality is stuck in the past

Wast it you and your cohorts screaming that Turkey is not European ans will never enter the EU.....now you wish for her to adopt EU laws that will in turn influnce us. Well let me tell you Turkey had adopted many EU laws already and so has the TRNC but no those that will give you the north back. The EU cannot force anything upon us.

defiant till the end vips? that will be yours and your communities downfall. just wait and see the outcome.

its not what i wish you moron, its what turkey wants as a country

if turkey was gonna walk away from the eu, she would have done it already. ask your self as to why she hasn't yet.

With 8 chapters suspended I wouldnt actually say she was winging it towards the EU, a few more knocks and she will in her own time turn her back on the EU moving towards some sort of speical partnership where the obligations are flexible enough to avoid the Cyprus issue, then where will you GCs be? up the swany without a paddle crying to the UN to bail you out. You have to start to see both sides of the coin I accept that Turkey with her current stance will never make it into the EU but do you accept that a diminished Turkish perspective in entering the EU will not serve your purpose to use the EU as leverage to get what you want.

[Viewpoint]

Kikapu

You can take that "opolous" and stick it in your "opolous" as far as it can go, because I got my use out of it already.

Can you understand why I used this name ending?

Did you really think, that "Kikapuopolous" really bothered me.? Did you think I was that weak.? What a fool. I was testing you. I even gave you few hints, but you never caught on. I told you that I was "measuring" you, you know, what kind of a man you are. I put the word "traitor" in your mouth, again you did not catch on. Then I pushed you and pushed you, but I could not get the word traitor out of you. Then I insulted you with very nasty words, and still, not a pip out of our mouth. I even put you in a "shit hole" and gave you a spoon, and still, you could not say the word "traitor". So what were the results.

I was fully aware of what you were trying to do I do not fall into these sorts of traps easily and your test was to see if I would label you a a traitor and you used very foul and underhand tactics to try and extract someting which could have been thrown at in anger, this says more about your own character than it does mine.

I have learned from you, that you are not able to pass over your convictions. That can be a good thing and a bad thing, but that's how you are. You could not call me a traitor, because you did not believe I was one. Your convictions would not allow it, no matter how hard I pushed you. The same can be said to your convictions towards a Partition. You believe in it, therefore it is a waste of time trying to talk Unified Cyprus with you, because your convictions will not allow you.

The first part of assesment is correct and I accept that if I believe something to be right I will post accordingly, Kikapu for me the word traitor is a very strong and has deep meaning I try not to use it label people often and without really knowing you and your past I would not throw this word at you or anyone else that easily.

The second part of your assesment is wrong you still need ime to understand where I am coming from but I am patient and really you should be able to work this out yourself, a few posters have read me like an open book and only recently one of the stated with great accuracy what I am about.

I could have told you I was an agent of the RoC, or a double agent, or even a double-double agent, and your convictions would not let you call me a traitor, because you knew deep down, I'm one of you, except that I talks back at you, and not with you, in what you want to do, and that is to have a Partition.

My adoption of a Greek sounding name was to bring home to you the assimilation issue as your thoughts and ideas are closer to the other side which is the GC side, a few more years and you would be no different from our stubborn GC neightbours, this imo has a lot to do with your living away from your homeland for so long you have become diluted and do not under the dangers that would face those living the Cyprus saga when trying to force 2 peoples back together. The political war has brought us to where we are today do you feel this willstop one we shake hands and say we are united, I dont know about you but people on both sides have suffered enough I do not want to throw anyone into the furness ever again. The last 33 years is just an example of how people can live on this island in peace do their own thing then I say I want more of that, you will obviously come back and say you are not thinking of refugees well I have always stated they should have their rights back but the situation dictates that this is only possible if they accept claiming it via the north which in reflection is the same for us going and claiming from the south. All I am asking for is the same rights as the GCs have no more no less, you stated that these goodies as you put them have not depleated the desire of GCs for a solution then why do you think it will depleat ours? we have to be equals when we sit down to agree unification as I accept the removal of the Turkish army then they to should accept that I to should have direct flights and trade.

The test has been over VP, so anything you say now, to call me a traitor or anything else, is totally meaningless, because it will be a forced result, and that does not count. So stop with your little whining about me not belonging amongst the TC's, because you have already approved me, whether you knew it at the time or not. Hello Brother.

Test away...no problem for me but your methods and approach reveals more about you than me. I have not changed my opinion of you as I have stated you may be TC in origin but someone who can live away from their homeland for 40 years and have no qualms about suggesting that we throw ourselves into the fire, knowing what we suffered in the past and not taking into account what we have to say just opposing us as if we are wrong without commiting himself is not really an opinion I would pay mush attention to as its not your head on the chopping block if this should go wrong, its me and my families future and safety which is at stake and I do not take decisions as lightly as you do from the safety of thousands of miles away.

Be on your guard, because I may run another test on you soon, but it will be nothing like the last one, so just do what you normally do, and I'll let you know , when the results come in.

You to can be on your guard as to you never know who is testing who

[pitsilos]

you are shortsighted and thats the problem

if you think turkey will be the same in the next 5 years, indeed kikapu is right your mentality is stuck in the past

Wast it you and your cohorts screaming that Turkey is not European ans will never enter the EU.....now you wish for her to adopt EU laws that will in turn influnce us. Well let me tell you Turkey had adopted many EU laws already and so has the TRNC but no those that will give you the north back. The EU cannot force anything upon us.

defiant till the end vips? that will be yours and your communities downfall. just wait and see the outcome.

its not what i wish you moron, its what turkey wants as a country

if turkey was gonna walk away from the eu, she would have done it already. ask your self as to why she hasn't yet.

With 8 chapters suspended I wouldnt actually say she was winging it towards the EU, a few more knocks and she will in her own time turn her back on the EU moving towards some sort of speical partnership where the obligations are flexible enough to avoid the Cyprus issue, then where will you GCs be? up the swany without a paddle crying to the UN to bail you out. You have to start to see both sides of the coin I accept that Turkey with her current stance will never make it into the EU but do you accept that a diminished Turkish perspective in entering the EU will not serve your purpose to use the EU as leverage to get what you want.

you don't get it do you? for turkey is either get in or burst at the seams. there is no special partnership crap. its either in or out, turkey knows this. she is already got a special partnership, but even this partnership has changed a lot. the eu is one for all, all for one in case you didn't get it. hence the problems turkey is facing with the eu.

the turkish economy is hanging on by a thread. people live as they did 100 years ago when the republic was established. 2nd highest imf loan, cheap labour market evaborating to china, etc

so i wouldn't be worrying about the gcs if i was you, rather worry about whats gonna happen to you and what solution you gonna get in the next 5 to 10 years. and if its 1960 agreement, then you can quess who has been wasting time.