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[humanist]

VP, I am always trying really hard to understand the Turksih Cypriot Venom towards the Greek Cypriot people, as many of you on this forum have said repeatedly you have not had personal experienece of these monsterous Greek Cypriot's that you so bvery much despise. No one is asking you to be Greek Cypriotlet alone Greek I doubt it very much if there is a Greek Speaking Cypriot who actually wants to be Greek in Cyprus 2007. If you wish to return to your origins well that is fine do it..... get a ticket and go settle somewhere over there. Or you can be a an accepting, respectful inclussive individual with multicultural attitudes and values living in Cyprus where evcery one regardless of the their colour live toegthere in harmony.

Once again whilst the 256,000 citizens are your people the turkish Cypriot identity is gettin lost in it. at least in a unified cyprus the turkish cypriot identity will continue on. But once again turkish cypriots are ,making their choices and I hope they don't turn around and blame Greek cypriots when they are a nearly extict race. in the meantime enjoy being overtaken by turks, because your brothers/ sisters in the south are they monsters you potray them to be. However whislt your selling your race and ethnicity to the turks could you please allow us to return to our country.

[Viewpoint]

Nice speech humanist but we are going nowhere we are here and will stay here as this is where we belong not somewhere over there. What makes you say Tcs feel venom towards GCs? have you asked yourself why we feel this way? and what is needed to correct this? I used Greek as to avoid the Cypriot part as your community originate from Greece and I would much rather be Turkish influenced than Greek, kindly allow me this freedom to choose. On a one to one basis ı am pretty certain we would not have any problems the problems will arise in administration and application as many GCs do not want to live or cannot comprehend having to abide by the TC administration ask Kifeas and Pyro about their feeling about such a scenario.
The identity game is over rated, and is manipulated by GCs as a tool to put the wind up Tcs that you will become extinct, well it doesn't work with me and many other Tcs as the alternative is totally unacceptable so that choice which was partly forced was made in 1974. If we wish to change this trend then that really depends on whats on offer and for now that's a "resounding" nothing.
We are not selling anything we are surviving under the conditions influenced by yourselves we will be going nowhere so don't pack your cases just yet as you will only be able to stay as a visitor and I'm sure you do not want to show your id when crossing either.

As for monsters well maybe its time you got rid of this ex eoka man and showed us that you are not what you display and can work for the benefit of Cypriots be they Turkish or Greek.

[tessintrnc]

Simon I have just read your post on beggars in the streets of Kyrenia and old bearded men etc etc - what a load of rubbish. I dont believe that that man has ever been here. Kyrenia is full of boutiques and cafes and to be honest there isnt room for any old men or beggars to sit - theres barely enough room for shoppers etc. And in the summer theres always coach loads of Tourists from the South visiting Kyrenia harbour and castle who are, by the way told to keep out the high street because of the Soldiers.......... Hmmmmm I have never seen soldiers marching up and down either - must be going blind.
Tess

[pitsilos]

viiiiiiiiiiiips wrote everything in the quotes

we are going nowhere we are here and will stay here as this is where we belong

we know, why not come out and shout out loud to match the picasso drawings on the mountain?

I used Greek as to avoid the Cypriot part as your community originate from Greece

yes everyone originated form somewhere why not take an example from socratis. i am a citizen of the world. i know you can't he is a greek

I would much rather be Turkish influenced

don't worry your wish is closer than what you think. pity you got your eyes and mind shut

allow me this freedom to choose

a contradiction in terms. i think your alter ego is creating havoc in your mind.

having to abide by the TC administration

ohhhh an abundance of never ending pleasant dreams. luxuries beyond the dangerous grounds comprehension

alternative is totally unacceptable

finally, finally the mouse roars and jumps

whats on offer

ohh the biding wars started a long time ago. but how much is enough? well it is measured. its been weighted. and its been packaged, and came at about half

[humanist]

VP, I do not think I can have discussion with you. I am allowing you the choice to choose, that is why I suggetsed you could go over there or stay in Cyprus but be fair in doing so and allow us to return to our country. You are hoplding aprt of our country hostage or you are holding cypriots hostage. Either way we cann ot live freely in our country.

Secondly you make a point about venom, your sentenced I much rather be turkish influenced than Greek, what does that actually tell you. What message are you sending out to Greek Speaking Cypriots or to your young, What is so bad about having greek influence or should I say what is is so different to the influence of Greeks and Turks?

As fdar as the identity is concerned, well you are making a huge mistake that i am using that to get support of turkish cypriots. I have spend 7 years at university studying socialolgy and Anthropolgy and asian studies and have a social work degree. I think I am entittled to to my opinion that turkish Cypriot culture is more of a threat from turkish culture swallowing it up than from Greek Speaking Cypriots.

The way that things went wrong in the 1960's was the segragation and separation of people in their communities and management of their respective communities, cyprus would have flourished as a bi cultural and possibly multicutlral should there been a bicultural policy to allow and promote the varius cultural groups of the Island, and that would included maronites and ltin background peoples. two cutltural groups that no turksih cypriot on this form but may be has acknowledged or even spoken about. It is my view that there is victim mentality that functions on just that and no desire, willingness, or fairness in moving beyond.

I will refrain from conversing with you in the future so if you do not get a response from me is because I no longer wish to discuss anything on the cyprus issue with you.

thank you .

[shahmaran]

Simon I have just read your post on beggars in the streets of Kyrenia and old bearded men etc etc - what a load of rubbish. I dont believe that that man has ever been here. Kyrenia is full of boutiques and cafes and to be honest there isnt room for any old men or beggars to sit - theres barely enough room for shoppers etc. And in the summer theres always coach loads of Tourists from the South visiting Kyrenia harbour and castle who are, by the way told to keep out the high street because of the Soldiers.......... Hmmmmm I have never seen soldiers marching up and down either - must be going blind.
Tess

i have to aggree with him there, li lived in Kyrenia for a year and i do not remember seing 1 beggar nor any beeded people and definately no soldiers marching, you do see the occasional UN vehicle or TSK vehicle but thats it...infact as far as i know there is only 1 very well known disabled beggar in the TRNC who has been around since my parents were kids who is located in Nicosia near the center and he is TC! THATS how widespread the beggears are in the TRNC

[Simon]

Not my words, but a Turkish Cypriot journalist. Maybe you are just in denial; or even worse blinded by your prejudices; after all, there are 40,000 Turkish troops in the North, and you don't see any of them.....

I am told they do not wear uniform, so that they are not noticed by tourists; maybe you should be suspicious of everybody

[Viewpoint]

VP, I do not think I can have discussion with you. I am allowing you the choice to choose, that is why I suggetsed you could go over there or stay in Cyprus but be fair in doing so and allow us to return to our country. You are hoplding aprt of our country hostage or you are holding cypriots hostage. Either way we cann ot live freely in our country.

Secondly you make a point about venom, your sentenced I much rather be turkish influenced than Greek, what does that actually tell you. What message are you sending out to Greek Speaking Cypriots or to your young, What is so bad about having greek influence or should I say what is is so different to the influence of Greeks and Turks?

As fdar as the identity is concerned, well you are making a huge mistake that i am using that to get support of turkish cypriots. I have spend 7 years at university studying socialolgy and Anthropolgy and asian studies and have a social work degree. I think I am entittled to to my opinion that turkish Cypriot culture is more of a threat from turkish culture swallowing it up than from Greek Speaking Cypriots.

The way that things went wrong in the 1960's was the segragation and separation of people in their communities and management of their respective communities, cyprus would have flourished as a bi cultural and possibly multicutlral should there been a bicultural policy to allow and promote the varius cultural groups of the Island, and that would included maronites and ltin background peoples. two cutltural groups that no turksih cypriot on this form but may be has acknowledged or even spoken about. It is my view that there is victim mentality that functions on just that and no desire, willingness, or fairness in moving beyond.

I will refrain from conversing with you in the future so if you do not get a response from me is because I no longer wish to discuss anything on the cyprus issue with you.

thank you .

Respect

[T_C]

Simon I have just read your post on beggars in the streets of Kyrenia and old bearded men etc etc - what a load of rubbish. I dont believe that that man has ever been here. Kyrenia is full of boutiques and cafes and to be honest there isnt room for any old men or beggars to sit - theres barely enough room for shoppers etc. And in the summer theres always coach loads of Tourists from the South visiting Kyrenia harbour and castle who are, by the way told to keep out the high street because of the Soldiers.......... Hmmmmm I have never seen soldiers marching up and down either - must be going blind.
Tess

i have to aggree with him there, li lived in Kyrenia for a year and i do not remember seing 1 beggar nor any beeded people and definately no soldiers marching, you do see the occasional UN vehicle or TSK vehicle but thats it...infact as far as i know there is only 1 very well known disabled beggar in the TRNC who has been around since my parents were kids who is located in Nicosia near the center and he is TC! THATS how widespread the beggears are in the TRNC

Shah are you talking about the really old man that used to sit around Nicosia near the ice cream place? Even I remember him from my childhood, is he still alive?

[Viewpoint]

Simon I have just read your post on beggars in the streets of Kyrenia and old bearded men etc etc - what a load of rubbish. I dont believe that that man has ever been here. Kyrenia is full of boutiques and cafes and to be honest there isnt room for any old men or beggars to sit - theres barely enough room for shoppers etc. And in the summer theres always coach loads of Tourists from the South visiting Kyrenia harbour and castle who are, by the way told to keep out the high street because of the Soldiers.......... Hmmmmm I have never seen soldiers marching up and down either - must be going blind.
Tess

i have to aggree with him there, li lived in Kyrenia for a year and i do not remember seing 1 beggar nor any beeded people and definately no soldiers marching, you do see the occasional UN vehicle or TSK vehicle but thats it...infact as far as i know there is only 1 very well known disabled beggar in the TRNC who has been around since my parents were kids who is located in Nicosia near the center and he is TC! THATS how widespread the beggears are in the TRNC

Shah are you talking about the really old man that used to sit around Nicosia near the ice cream place? Even I remember him from my childhood, is he still alive?

Everyone remembers him, unfortunately hes dead.