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[Amadeo]

US likes to act as the Big Brother of every one, i wonder how many years it will take until somebody ( not themselves ) will start hitting some US but ?
I have so many ideas .. and ..

[shahmaran]

The only problem with the re-instatement of a dictatorship (as I see it), is that the new Dictator may be a puppet controlled by the West, such a move would allow the Americans some credibility and they deserve none.

They should now be exposed for what they are, let them scurry back to their decadent land and bear the shame of defeat and contempt for all the evil they have done.

Force them to make restitution for all the damage inflicted on the innocent Iraqi people and shun them.

AMEN TO THAT!!

may the public spit and throw rotten eggs at them while they march down the streets so that they will have to burry their heads in shame and never leave their borders ever again!!!

[Pete_D]

Look, can I just say.... once again.....

It is the US ADMINISTRATION to blame NOT EVERY AMERICAN!!!!!

The US military legally has to do what the US Government decides, same as the UK military has to do what Blair and all his cronies decide.

GorillaGal isn't in Iraq trying to piss off the rest of the world!
Neither are most other Americans!

And due to the US electoral system, you will probably find that even in the LAST election a GREATER percentage of Americans did NOT vote for Bush! At the least, there is a sizeable minority that didn't!
And in the 2000 election a MAJORITY didn't!!!!

We've debated all this many times.... and I think most people who post in here regularly will know that I am against the war in Iraq, and the US administration, and Bush, and the UK government etc. etc.

But c'mon, people in the US, UK, everywhere are just INDIVIDUALS each with their own opinion and it isn't fair to tarnish them all with one brush.
Have you ever heard of Michael Moore? He's an American. Do you all hate him just the same? Do you KNOW how much he DESPISES bush?

So please.... because if you slag off all Americans when you mean Bush, then I can assume you slag off all British when you mean Blair, and therefore you are slagging off me personally if that is the case!

We are all citizens of the world.... we are all individuals, not robots or pawns for our nation states!

Pete

[Eliko]

And rotten tomatoes shahmaran, the Yanks do love a 'TAMAYTO'

[shahmaran]

hey i mean the administration not the people, but i thought in the last election the majority DID vote bush

[Pete_D]

hey i mean the administration not the people, but i thought in the last election the majority DID vote bush

Possibly.... but probably not by much.

Problem in US comes with the system of each state getting seemingly unequal numbers of votes in the senate (is it?). So the little states in the midwest seem to get a disproportionate number.

But then, just because say republicans win those seats democrats might be very close behind. But then in the big ones like California you get a democrat win but the physical number of people is much higher.

It's like in UK.... it is not a proportional representative system.
Then you've got to take into account all the people who don't bother to vote.
IIRC in last UK election, the biggest winner was apathy.

When Bush was first elected, even if he won fair and square by the florida count he STILL didn't poll > 50% of the votes because of the system I describe. I'm 99% certain of that fact.

Pete

[Pete_D]

Interesting.... assuming this is accurate:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._presidential_election,_2004

then it is very surprising:

US presidential election 2004:

"Bush received about 51 percent of the votes cast, making him the first presidential candidate to win a majority of the popular vote since his father George H. W. Bush in the presidential election of 1988. At the same time, Bush's 2.5-percent popular vote margin over Kerry is the smallest margin of victory (in percentage terms) for an incumbent president in American history."

Whichever way you look at it, looks like a huge number of American people don't support the guy!

[shahmaran]

yeah only half of them do.

i did see a comparison chart between the avarege IQ level of each state and the results for the votes, it was rather amusing to see the perfect relation in numbers, i wish i could find the link, its worth seing tho

[miltiades]

So much poisonous contagious hatred against the US , and yet not one single word of condemnation for the savages who on daily basis go on massacring innocent Iraqis , in markets , bus stops , funerals job centres , What say you American haters , where is your conscious when it comes to innocent women and children blown to smithereens by these savages. Blame the CIA no doubt !

[Eliko]

miltiades, good morning to you sir!.

Sorry to note that you did not venture any constructive opinion on the subject under discussion which has revealed some interesting points.

You did manage however, to hit the nail right on the head in one area when you enquired as to where to lay the blame for all the attrocities in Iraq, I find myself in total agreement with you regarding the CIAs involvement in creating the circumstances which led to them, well done !.