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[DT.]

So no Eoka since 1960. Who killed all the Turkish and Greek Cypriot Civilians between 1963 and 1974. Educate me. My neighbour was called up to go to the Hospital working as a Nurse, and never came back. If EOKA did not do it then Who?

I do not wish to hear tit for tat, you did this and you did that.

EOKA was active between 55-59
Eoka B was founded in 1971

The fighting that happened in between was an intercommunal conflict where we have a lot of blame and just as many killed.

[DT.]

if it was up to me there would be re united land with no grece or turkey involved and everyone with equal rights.

but as you see turkey is pushing for prtition there is nothing we can do militarily but do what takes longer and try politically its hard when turkey insisits on partition and is doing everything it can to make sure the island stays partitioned for turkeys benefits using the excuse of we are protecting tcs

turkey plants bombs in the tcs to make war then they suddenly "come to the rescue" when gcs dont just sit there and do nothing

No, there is a third way. Where there is a best possible agreement, now, where not everyone gets everything they want, let people live for a while and get closer and closer as times go and the fear goes. Like in the EU. Europeans did it after killing Millions during the WW2. The problem is that we can’t go there today. There are those with hidden agendas who still think that they will get rid of the TC’s and achieve Enosis. And on our side achieve Taksim. Please understand that Talat is a million miles from Taksim, He is no Denktas, its greek propaganda.

I am not a Greek hater, my grandmother could only speak Greek. I only wear that set anti-Greek clothes when I meet the new EOKA in this forum. My bests friend in London is from Famagusta. He lost his house there. I lost land in Bodamya, Trahonas and Mallura. We talk every week.

We want to go to the same place and we will get there, where Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots live together side by side like they did before 63. It does not need to be struggle any longer. Its called relationship building. We have been divorced for such a long time. Too much pain has passed on both sides. You will gain nothing from the blaming game and everything if you look forward to the future where every body can live together with no restrictions. Just not now. It is not possible. If you put this bullet in the gun, there is too many ready to fire it on both sides.

Eoka sympathisers will dress this agreement as effective taksim. I don’t agree. Its coexistence with a real possibility of proper union later. I can say that because I know the TC’s are not happy with Turkey. There is an old saying, “Denize dusen yilana sarilir”. Upto this point the GC government thought that they were very smart, one step ahead of the Turks, and all the time they are pushing the TC’s nearer to Turkey, and then blaming the TC’s. Believe me when I say to you that TC’s prefer to live with GC’s, but not while Enosis sympathisers have so much power. We will be back to 1963 in one month.

Who exactly are these EOKA sympathisers you talk about?

Every single GC in Cyprus is an EOKA sympathiser. President Christofias attends the memorial services now so you can include AKEL in this. EOKA fought the english for enosis in the 50's. In 59 it was disbanded.

If you are talking about EOKA B and think that you will find their sympathisers in this forum or anywhere else then you've got a lot to learn about the Greek Cypriots my friend and I wouldn't believe everything those liberal global citizens tell you either.

Let me put it in a diferent way. Enosis sympathiser then.

So you, an adult alive in 2008 and able to turn on a computer and chat on an internet forum believe that there are GC's out there who are willing today to give up their govt and independence and unify with the govt of Greece.

Not only do you think that but you have also identified them on this forum Can you name these enosis sympathisers?

You know for a so called moderate you are clueless when it comes to the other side you're meant to be moderate about.

[YFred]

because once trnc have direct flights and trade they will say f u there will never be re unification it just gives the "trnc" more reason to not want re unification in cyprus

Is that not a slap in the face followed by "you will be my friend and if you don't want to be my friend starve to death, we can starve you and we will", isn't that what its saying. And you actually believe that it will help in negotiations.
Unfortunately it hardens atitudes.

[insan]

So no Eoka since 1960. Who killed all the Turkish and Greek Cypriot Civilians between 1963 and 1974. Educate me. My neighbour was called up to go to the Hospital working as a Nurse, and never came back. If EOKA did not do it then Who?

I do not wish to hear tit for tat, you did this and you did that.

EOKA was active between 55-59
Eoka B was founded in 1971

The fighting that happened in between was an intercommunal conflict where we have a lot of blame and just as many killed.

I know not all Eoka members joined Eoka-B but since the Leader of both Eokas was same; may i ask if u have any idea what percentage of Eoka members joined to Eoka-B? Just my personal curiosity...

[Viewpoint]

Direct flights to start in June/July from the heart of the EU, watch this space.

[YFred]

if it was up to me there would be re united land with no grece or turkey involved and everyone with equal rights.

but as you see turkey is pushing for prtition there is nothing we can do militarily but do what takes longer and try politically its hard when turkey insisits on partition and is doing everything it can to make sure the island stays partitioned for turkeys benefits using the excuse of we are protecting tcs

turkey plants bombs in the tcs to make war then they suddenly "come to the rescue" when gcs dont just sit there and do nothing

No, there is a third way. Where there is a best possible agreement, now, where not everyone gets everything they want, let people live for a while and get closer and closer as times go and the fear goes. Like in the EU. Europeans did it after killing Millions during the WW2. The problem is that we can’t go there today. There are those with hidden agendas who still think that they will get rid of the TC’s and achieve Enosis. And on our side achieve Taksim. Please understand that Talat is a million miles from Taksim, He is no Denktas, its greek propaganda.

I am not a Greek hater, my grandmother could only speak Greek. I only wear that set anti-Greek clothes when I meet the new EOKA in this forum. My bests friend in London is from Famagusta. He lost his house there. I lost land in Bodamya, Trahonas and Mallura. We talk every week.

We want to go to the same place and we will get there, where Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots live together side by side like they did before 63. It does not need to be struggle any longer. Its called relationship building. We have been divorced for such a long time. Too much pain has passed on both sides. You will gain nothing from the blaming game and everything if you look forward to the future where every body can live together with no restrictions. Just not now. It is not possible. If you put this bullet in the gun, there is too many ready to fire it on both sides.

Eoka sympathisers will dress this agreement as effective taksim. I don’t agree. Its coexistence with a real possibility of proper union later. I can say that because I know the TC’s are not happy with Turkey. There is an old saying, “Denize dusen yilana sarilir”. Upto this point the GC government thought that they were very smart, one step ahead of the Turks, and all the time they are pushing the TC’s nearer to Turkey, and then blaming the TC’s. Believe me when I say to you that TC’s prefer to live with GC’s, but not while Enosis sympathisers have so much power. We will be back to 1963 in one month.

Who exactly are these EOKA sympathisers you talk about?

Every single GC in Cyprus is an EOKA sympathiser. President Christofias attends the memorial services now so you can include AKEL in this. EOKA fought the english for enosis in the 50's. In 59 it was disbanded.

If you are talking about EOKA B and think that you will find their sympathisers in this forum or anywhere else then you've got a lot to learn about the Greek Cypriots my friend and I wouldn't believe everything those liberal global citizens tell you either.

Let me put it in a diferent way. Enosis sympathiser then.

So you, an adult alive in 2008 and able to turn on a computer and chat on an internet forum believe that there are GC's out there who are willing today to give up their govt and independence and unify with the govt of Greece.

Not only do you think that but you have also identified them on this forum Can you name these enosis sympathisers?

You know for a so called moderate you are clueless when it comes to the other side you're meant to be moderate about.

Just look through some of the replies I’ve been getting. It want take you long to get some.

When you here on this forum, “ go back to where you came from”. “Just because your family has been here for 500 years my family has been here since time began”
“You are a minority and we can do what we like”. “You are fools and we only keep you on here just to have a lough. We could remove you if we want.”
Not you are wrong, this is how.

Do you really expect people to declare it openly.

Where is the root of all this. At best its latent enosis at worst it open enosis ideology.
Make Cyprus greek=enosis.

There is still one issue you have not mentioned yet.
During the 60’s both sides had placed their people on important position of power where they controlled Functions of Government inc Justice, Police and media (Inc Private Media).
In the North with coming of CTP, this has been slightly addressed. CTP have only just began in the north. Has there been any action taken to redress this it in the south. If there should be a referendum, will the media be fair, will the tools of government be fair or will it repeat like last time? Like how much time on media for each side and the attitude of the presenters.

I was following the case of the TC who was attacked by one of your black shirts. In the court, reference were made by the Judge and the prosecution to the defendant as “The Turk”. Where does this racism come from?
Is there no more demonstrations where people are shouting enosis?
Is there no walls with enosis on them? Huge flags of Greece?
What’s happening in schools? Schools curriculum?
A black child gets racially attacked with witnesses and police take no action?
Isn’t the root of it Greek fanaticism. Is the function of government working correctly.
Where does Greek fanaticism fit into Cypriotness.

At least we have an excuse for our discretion with Ataturk and all that, they feed us and and we do not want to rock the boat. If it wasn’t for them we would have starved? Whats your excuse?

[DT.]

Just look through some of the replies I’ve been getting. It want take you long to get some.

When you here on this forum, “ go back to where you came from”. “Just because your family has been here for 500 years my family has been here since time began”
“You are a minority and we can do what we like”. “You are fools and we only keep you on here just to have a lough. We could remove you if we want.”
Not you are wrong, this is how.

SOmeone threatening you that they can bully you off this internet forum is a personal attack and has nothing to do with you being a tc. I have seen this being done to GC's, Greeks, Turks, Brits, TC's....there's a number of feisty personalities here that you have to figure out a way to navigate around. Now how you go from that to realising that there are ENOSIS supporters in this day and age is beyond me.

There is still one issue you have not mentioned yet.
During the 60’s both sides had placed their people on important position of power where they controlled Functions of Government inc Justice, Police and media (Inc Private Media).
In the North with coming of CTP, this has been slightly addressed. CTP have only just began in the north. Has there been any action taken to redress this it in the south. If there should be a referendum, will the media be fair, will the tools of government be fair or will it repeat like last time? Like how much time on media for each side and the attitude of the presenters.

What does this have to do with enosis. The Annan plan was an unfair piece of badly written toilet paper, and if you ask the TC's around here who are not afraid of speaking their mind they have admitted the exact same thing. Namely, had they been GC's they would never had voted for it. If you want we can go through this on a separate thread, there's nothing I love more than dissecting the Annan plan.

AGAIN what does this have to do with enosis?

I was following the case of the TC who was attacked by one of your black shirts. In the court, reference were made by the Judge and the prosecution to the defendant as “The Turk”. Where does this racism come from?

Black shirt? reference in court? Can you provide a source for this? Was a tc beaten up in the free areas and then testified in court over here against his assailant? And by the way, whats wrong with being called a Turk? Is it the same as myself being called more times than I can remember, a gavour?

Is there no more demonstrations where people are shouting enosis?
Is there no walls with enosis on them? Huge flags of Greece?
What’s happening in schools? Schools curriculum?

There was a demonstration of a bunch of idiotic schoolkids who were chanting down with the BBF and that Cyprus is Greek. I believe they numbered 48 people. There are demonstrations in Sweden and Austria of the Neo-Nazi's and there are demonstrations in the occupied parts by the grey wolves. (one of which I witnessed while over there with my late father in laws TC lawyer)

I have also seen the inside of our police stations and spoken to some of your police. You're telling me about racism?

As for huge flags of Greece, can you show me where in Cyprus there flies a HUGE flag of Greece? FFS MAN! You've just planted a new record breaking flag on the Green Line and you're telling me of flags? You've got Pac-Man graffitti all over our Pendadaktylos

A black child gets racially attacked with witnesses and police take no action?
Isn’t the root of it Greek fanaticism. Is the function of government working correctly.
Where does Greek fanaticism fit into Cypriotness.

That black child getting attacked was horrible and was plastered all over the news over here. Our xenophobic attitude is to blame here and the sudden influx of immigrants since the EU membership. There's no excuse for racism and even in this one instance (I am sure there will be more, all European countries have this phenomenon unfortunately).

Again I do not see the connection between this and Enosis?

At least we have an excuse for our discretion with Ataturk and all that, they feed us and and we do not want to rock the boat. If it wasn’t for them we would have starved? Whats your excuse?

You don't look like you are starving over there. You're society had created 100's of millionaires on the backs of GC properties while the TC properties over here which are lived in by the GC refugees are not allowed to be sold.