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[paliometoxo]

what tcs? you guys dont have any say even in the "trnc" its what mumma turkey wants.. your a minority get over it does not make it ok to invade and steal land and try force partition..

what about the kurds who want partition will you give them land their own state? is that acceptable? im sure they dont want to liv eunder turk rule..

its not always what you want im sure many countries minorities would LOVe their own state but that doe snot mean they bomb their own people to make excuses to invade...

[YFred]

what tcs? you guys dont have any say even in the "trnc" its what mumma turkey wants.. your a minority get over it does not make it ok to invade and steal land and try force partition..

what about the kurds who want partition will you give them land their own state? is that acceptable? im sure they dont want to liv eunder turk rule..

its not always what you want im sure many countries minorities would LOVe their own state but that doe snot mean they bomb their own people to make excuses to invade...

You have got me wrong my friend.
If it was up to me, I would hold a referendum with the Kurdish People, and give them every choice possible and ask them to decide, including new sate. It is not up to me unfortunately. Personally I am perfectly happy with all minorities to decide their own future. It is some GC's thankfully in the minority who are denying us TCs our rights. You see two wrongs do not make a right. All I hear is Go home you Turk. You see, that to me is like calling a black person a niger. It is racist.

We find ourselves here in this point at this time (Obama). We need to move to a more peaceful co-existance with everyone able to live without fear. I also want Tutkish troops out, but not before I am sure my family is safe. Can you not see this?

This mentality of what I have seen on this forum is incredible. There is no way a single TC would accept coexistence with you under your terms.

Where there are 2 rules.
1. You tell us what to do
2. And we do it.

Please wake up before it’s too late. And there is Full Partition.

[paliometoxo]

if it was up to me there would be re united land with no grece or turkey involved and everyone with equal rights.

but as you see turkey is pushing for prtition there is nothing we can do militarily but do what takes longer and try politically its hard when turkey insisits on partition and is doing everything it can to make sure the island stays partitioned for turkeys benefits using the excuse of we are protecting tcs

turkey plants bombs in the tcs to make war then they suddenly "come to the rescue" when gcs dont just sit there and do nothing

[YFred]

if it was up to me there would be re united land with no grece or turkey involved and everyone with equal rights.

but as you see turkey is pushing for prtition there is nothing we can do militarily but do what takes longer and try politically its hard when turkey insisits on partition and is doing everything it can to make sure the island stays partitioned for turkeys benefits using the excuse of we are protecting tcs

turkey plants bombs in the tcs to make war then they suddenly "come to the rescue" when gcs dont just sit there and do nothing

No, there is a third way. Where there is a best possible agreement, now, where not everyone gets everything they want, let people live for a while and get closer and closer as times go and the fear goes. Like in the EU. Europeans did it after killing Millions during the WW2. The problem is that we can’t go there today. There are those with hidden agendas who still think that they will get rid of the TC’s and achieve Enosis. And on our side achieve Taksim. Please understand that Talat is a million miles from Taksim, He is no Denktas, its greek propaganda.

I am not a Greek hater, my grandmother could only speak Greek. I only wear that set anti-Greek clothes when I meet the new EOKA in this forum. My bests friend in London is from Famagusta. He lost his house there. I lost land in Bodamya, Trahonas and Mallura. We talk every week.

We want to go to the same place and we will get there, where Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots live together side by side like they did before 63. It does not need to be struggle any longer. Its called relationship building. We have been divorced for such a long time. Too much pain has passed on both sides. You will gain nothing from the blaming game and everything if you look forward to the future where every body can live together with no restrictions. Just not now. It is not possible. If you put this bullet in the gun, there is too many ready to fire it on both sides.

Eoka sympathisers will dress this agreement as effective taksim. I don’t agree. Its coexistence with a real possibility of proper union later. I can say that because I know the TC’s are not happy with Turkey. There is an old saying, “Denize dusen yilana sarilir”. Upto this point the GC government thought that they were very smart, one step ahead of the Turks, and all the time they are pushing the TC’s nearer to Turkey, and then blaming the TC’s. Believe me when I say to you that TC’s prefer to live with GC’s, but not while Enosis sympathisers have so much power. We will be back to 1963 in one month.

[paliometoxo]

in London i notice they dont seem to care greek or turk they dont think about this kind of things they just have learnt to get on and not care about the past, why cant we do the same in cyprus and live together?

[DT.]

if it was up to me there would be re united land with no grece or turkey involved and everyone with equal rights.

but as you see turkey is pushing for prtition there is nothing we can do militarily but do what takes longer and try politically its hard when turkey insisits on partition and is doing everything it can to make sure the island stays partitioned for turkeys benefits using the excuse of we are protecting tcs

turkey plants bombs in the tcs to make war then they suddenly "come to the rescue" when gcs dont just sit there and do nothing

No, there is a third way. Where there is a best possible agreement, now, where not everyone gets everything they want, let people live for a while and get closer and closer as times go and the fear goes. Like in the EU. Europeans did it after killing Millions during the WW2. The problem is that we can’t go there today. There are those with hidden agendas who still think that they will get rid of the TC’s and achieve Enosis. And on our side achieve Taksim. Please understand that Talat is a million miles from Taksim, He is no Denktas, its greek propaganda.

I am not a Greek hater, my grandmother could only speak Greek. I only wear that set anti-Greek clothes when I meet the new EOKA in this forum. My bests friend in London is from Famagusta. He lost his house there. I lost land in Bodamya, Trahonas and Mallura. We talk every week.

We want to go to the same place and we will get there, where Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots live together side by side like they did before 63. It does not need to be struggle any longer. Its called relationship building. We have been divorced for such a long time. Too much pain has passed on both sides. You will gain nothing from the blaming game and everything if you look forward to the future where every body can live together with no restrictions. Just not now. It is not possible. If you put this bullet in the gun, there is too many ready to fire it on both sides.

Eoka sympathisers will dress this agreement as effective taksim. I don’t agree. Its coexistence with a real possibility of proper union later. I can say that because I know the TC’s are not happy with Turkey. There is an old saying, “Denize dusen yilana sarilir”. Upto this point the GC government thought that they were very smart, one step ahead of the Turks, and all the time they are pushing the TC’s nearer to Turkey, and then blaming the TC’s. Believe me when I say to you that TC’s prefer to live with GC’s, but not while Enosis sympathisers have so much power. We will be back to 1963 in one month.

Who exactly are these EOKA sympathisers you talk about?

Every single GC in Cyprus is an EOKA sympathiser. President Christofias attends the memorial services now so you can include AKEL in this. EOKA fought the english for enosis in the 50's. In 59 it was disbanded.

If you are talking about EOKA B and think that you will find their sympathisers in this forum or anywhere else then you've got a lot to learn about the Greek Cypriots my friend and I wouldn't believe everything those liberal global citizens tell you either.

[YFred]

in London i notice they dont seem to care greek or turk they dont think about this kind of things they just have learnt to get on and not care about the past, why cant we do the same in cyprus and live together?

I lived in london for 35 years. We can live here together because we have complete equality and equal acces to everything. we are able to trade and make a living. No one is trying to stop anyone doing anything. We have complete confidence in the law, police, justice. Even though there is a bit of racism here, its not very apparent between the English and the Cypriots.

I would like a moderate Greek Cypriot to tell me one good reason why there is no Direct flights to Ercan, which is absolutely vital to the existance of TC economy. And I don't mean technical, I mean political. So Bafidi no need to reply.

[YFred]

if it was up to me there would be re united land with no grece or turkey involved and everyone with equal rights.

but as you see turkey is pushing for prtition there is nothing we can do militarily but do what takes longer and try politically its hard when turkey insisits on partition and is doing everything it can to make sure the island stays partitioned for turkeys benefits using the excuse of we are protecting tcs

turkey plants bombs in the tcs to make war then they suddenly "come to the rescue" when gcs dont just sit there and do nothing

No, there is a third way. Where there is a best possible agreement, now, where not everyone gets everything they want, let people live for a while and get closer and closer as times go and the fear goes. Like in the EU. Europeans did it after killing Millions during the WW2. The problem is that we can’t go there today. There are those with hidden agendas who still think that they will get rid of the TC’s and achieve Enosis. And on our side achieve Taksim. Please understand that Talat is a million miles from Taksim, He is no Denktas, its greek propaganda.

I am not a Greek hater, my grandmother could only speak Greek. I only wear that set anti-Greek clothes when I meet the new EOKA in this forum. My bests friend in London is from Famagusta. He lost his house there. I lost land in Bodamya, Trahonas and Mallura. We talk every week.

We want to go to the same place and we will get there, where Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots live together side by side like they did before 63. It does not need to be struggle any longer. Its called relationship building. We have been divorced for such a long time. Too much pain has passed on both sides. You will gain nothing from the blaming game and everything if you look forward to the future where every body can live together with no restrictions. Just not now. It is not possible. If you put this bullet in the gun, there is too many ready to fire it on both sides.

Eoka sympathisers will dress this agreement as effective taksim. I don’t agree. Its coexistence with a real possibility of proper union later. I can say that because I know the TC’s are not happy with Turkey. There is an old saying, “Denize dusen yilana sarilir”. Upto this point the GC government thought that they were very smart, one step ahead of the Turks, and all the time they are pushing the TC’s nearer to Turkey, and then blaming the TC’s. Believe me when I say to you that TC’s prefer to live with GC’s, but not while Enosis sympathisers have so much power. We will be back to 1963 in one month.

Who exactly are these EOKA sympathisers you talk about?

Every single GC in Cyprus is an EOKA sympathiser. President Christofias attends the memorial services now so you can include AKEL in this. EOKA fought the english for enosis in the 50's. In 59 it was disbanded.

If you are talking about EOKA B and think that you will find their sympathisers in this forum or anywhere else then you've got a lot to learn about the Greek Cypriots my friend and I wouldn't believe everything those liberal global citizens tell you either.

Let me put it in a diferent way. Enosis sympathiser then.

[YFred]

So no Eoka since 1960. Who killed all the Turkish and Greek Cypriot Civilians between 1963 and 1974. Educate me. My neighbour was called up to go to the Hospital working as a Nurse, and never came back. If EOKA did not do it then Who?

I do not wish to hear tit for tat, you did this and you did that.

[paliometoxo]

because once trnc have direct flights and trade they will say f u there will never be re unification it just gives the "trnc" more reason to not want re unification in cyprus