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[pitsilos]

whats there to read from the turkish site and the world over is over flowing with evidence. or you think there is a conspiracy by all the countries against turkey?

ever occur to you the turkish proof might be contaminated?

[karma]

Uganda and Zambia and Zimbabwe and Papua New Guinea is NOT against Turkey

[shahmaran]

there are even more that are not against Turkey, pistilos Turkey has repeadetly asked to let the Historians investigate and decide, lobbying and propaganda from the Armenian side ALL around the globe does not make Turkey wrong, did that ever occur to you? or are you contaminated by the propaganda of the 4000 Armenians living by your side as well,

come to think of it its no suprize you 2 get along pretty well, you both have a common enemy and you are both great at propaganda and lobbying for you nationalistic bullcrap, wonderfull team you make

[pitsilos]

come to think of it its no suprize you 2 get along pretty well, you both have a common enemy and you are both great at propaganda and lobbying for you nationalistic bullcrap, wonderfull team you make

shahmaran, am i giving you too much credit here or what? what kind of a bullsit comment was this?

turkey might be asking, but whats stopping turkey from presenting the evidence that she has.

turkey is not bringing any evidence because she wants to stone wall. because if turkey had any frieking evidence she would be taking full page ads in the washington post and the new york times. and don't you worry about that.

the question is, are you even allowed to discuss this subject without jeopardizing yourself? this is how pathetis it is, where a debate in turkey is punishable by law. where you do not even allow your own historians not alone to see the evidence, but banning them from ever discussing it. now why is that if you have evidence to the contrary?

so if you want historians to examine it, turkey will have to make a new law to enable turkish debate. has turkey enacted any new laws to promote discussion in turkey on this? and the answer is a big fat no. again why is that.

if you got nothing to hide you got nothing to fear, right?

and it does not matter as what i think but to what i perceive. and looking as how turkey prhibits debate in turkey it actually says a lot, doesn't it?

ps. btw turkey doesn't say she is unsure about the genocite, she says it didn't happen, period. well when you make bold statements like this, that means you got the evidence. why is then gully boy kissing US ass if he is got evidence?

[karma]

Turkey shldnt discuss anything before Algerian case is discussed in France or before Rwanda case is discussed in Belgium..since they r civilized and democratic countries

[pitsilos]

its a different ball game karma. france never closed the border and prohibited discussion. turkey does and punishes anyone that does.

in france anyone is allowed to look into evidence and make up their mind. can you do the same in turkey?

[karma]

I never said Turkey is a fully democratic country..I wish it was..but France or other European countries are not saints either..they shld accept their own faults first..and then they may involve others'..

[Pyrpolizer]

Pyr i said YOUR Armenian Genocide facts are OFF like ROTTEN EGGS meaning you have no clue MY SON!!

doesnt mean i aggree with you, not even close actually....

If war time is not a good excuse then you clearly aggree with the attemted genocide of the TCs in 74 as well, since that was "war time"...

and judging by your bigoted postition and extreamely weak argument you have obviously not read anything from the Turkish facts on the matter, infact i doubt you have read anything on it...

Genocide my friend is the killing en masse of a whole genos=nation=race or a huge part of it. Killing 1.5 MILLION Armenians out of 2.5 million was genocide. Killing of 85 TCs out of 120,000 in 1974 was not genocide. Killing 6000 GCs out of 400,000 in 1974 was not genocide...

I don't approve killing of civilians during war time, but you have to clarify in your mind what genocide is. Genocide aims at clearing out through cold blood killing ALL the people of a nation. When that succeeds in huge numbers and in huge proportions relative to their population then thats a genocide.

It seems you have everything mixed in your mind...

[T_C]

turkey is not bringing any evidence because she wants to stone wall. because if turkey had any frieking evidence she would be taking full page ads in the washington post and the new york times. and don't you worry about that.

the question is, are you even allowed to discuss this subject without jeopardizing yourself? this is how pathetis it is, where a debate in turkey is punishable by law. where you do not even allow your own historians not alone to see the evidence, but banning them from ever discussing it.

pitsilos, you are wrong there because the Turkish archives are open for anyone to go and read, historians and students alike.

The Armenian archives on the other hand are the ones thats shut and not open for inspection by anyone, its them who are hiding not the Turks.

And Turkey DID just what you said on the Washington Post, May 27, 2005...but again it was labelled as "propaganda".

On October 17, 2005 there was even a DVD with Time magazine about Turkey and it included a 70min program about the "genocide"...again...."propaganda".

This is why Turkey wants an investigation, because no matter what they say the Armenians are adamant they were subjected to a genocide.
I have no doubt a lot of them got killed but it wasnt a genocide in the sense that Turkish people just decided to kill them for no reason.

I know for a fact that they were butchering Turks. At the same time I know Turks ended up butchering them too, ALOT of them. They were killing Turks left right and center while Turks were fighting a war, when Turks retaliated a whole load of Armenians ended up getting killed, but it was nothing to do with a planned extermination of Armenians. I dont think Turkeys innocent at all and they did kill them, but I know that Armenians have a lot more involvement then they would have the world believe, hence why they wont agree to an investigation and hence why their archives are locked and kept away from EVERYONE!

[shahmaran]

Pyr stop playing with numbers, there is a difference in killing during combat and rading vilalges in order to butcher every single one of its people, its the motive that counts not the success rate, Lefke was next if Turkey hadnt intervened everyone knows it so stop actinlg like it was nothing but a few hundred people because we all know it wasnt going to stop there....and lets not forget that the EVER SO CIVILISED France has made it illegal to dissaggree on the Armenian genocide, so you tell me what kind bullshit that is, and then blame Turkey for not allowing it to be called genocide...

bunch of bloody hypocrits....


those fuckin Armenians, Greeks and Kurds tried to stab Turkey in the back when they had the chance, and during a period where everyone was on a similar mission they got whatever they deserved, the Armenians had no problem butchering all their neighbours of hundreds of years when they smelled opportunity for independance ofcourse supported by France and Russia (thats how sneaky they are), Turkey would have not been the country it is now if it hadnt been done and to be honest im glad they did whatever they had to do in order to gain the independance, just like im glad Turkey invaded Cyprus and just like im glad Turkey ruined the Greek army, so dont expect any symphaty from the Turks my friends...