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[pitsilos]

who ever did this is nothing but a fucking animal thats what i got to say







and there are more, just a quick browse on the net.

fucking animals

you people are total fucking degenerates for cheapening the lifes of all these people and you have the balls to even suggest the tcs were genocided.

get a fucking life ffs

[Pyrpolizer]

Shahi boy,

For your information again you are wrong. GENOCIDE by definition is an action totally irrelevant to MOTIVE and relevant to intention, only if the INTENTION to wipe off all that group was put in practice and SUCCEEDED. (otherwise it is called attempted Genocide). And the only way to prove its SUCCESS BEYOND ANY DOUBT is the degree to which the Genocide was carried out. In other words what percentage or what numbers were finally WIPED OFF. So mere INTENTION is not Genocide.

For your 2nd information again there has NEVER been a complete (100%) Genocide no-where in the world. (Practically impossible).

For your 3rd information again the term "Genocide" has never received an official UN interpretation. In other words there has never been set a number or a percentage of deaths that specifies what it is.

Despite of all that what prevails on accepting something as a Genocide is the % of innocent civilians Wipped off relevant to the total.

Hopes this helps clear out your anti-numbers phobia.

But on the other hand here it is again.

1.5 million damn it!

Ok Pyr, here is another definition for you from another source, i hope this one will clear up all the confusion in your little mind, because you seem awefully desperate to wiggle out of this one...



Noun

Singular
genocide


Plural
uncountable

genocide (uncountable)

1. The systematic killing of substantial numbers of people on the basis of ethnicity, religion, political opinion, social status, or other particularity.
2. Acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group.




So, my little Pyr, Turkey did kill a lot of people during WW1 and Armenians were just one of them, there was no attempt to ONLY destroy Armenians but everyone who was rising against the Turks, sepratist, religious whatever....if most of the Armenians decided to take a piece then thats just bad luck...

However, the same cannot exactly be said for the Greeks now can it, because there was a massive campaign against TCs which didnt discriminate really, it was just a matter of being Turkish or not, so THAT is attempted genocide as you put it, which failed miserably, if Turkey wanted to wipe out all the Armenians for whatever reason you think they might have, they would have done it long before, and by the way read your description again because you will find that it compleatly contradicts with the holocaust being genocide, so i hope that is not what you are suggesting now is it my little pyr

Shah my son,

So you found a definition in a dictionary. Your father told you to put links so others can believe you yet you never listen. You deserveanother pulling of your ears.

Anyway lets see how your definitions stand:

Systematic killing: Question:If the killing is not systematic but with lets say instantaneous (100 Atomic bombs in Japan) is not Genocide?
Substantial numbers: Agree. Notice the term Substantial has subtle relevance to the total. This is what I said before. Now tell me is 1.5 million is a substantial number for you yes or no?
Anyway not a very good definition because a)Systematic is wrong b)Substantial is an objective term.

Lets see your other definition:
Acts COMMITTED with intent to... Here my son, what the dictionary refers to, is COMMITTED acts. The intent by itself is not defining Genocide, unless those acts were in fact COMMITTED. Exactly like I told you before.
The word INTENT is for actions already COMMITTED with intent to wipe off ALL of the group.
in whole or in part: Now look again how sloppy this definition is. The ACTS with intend to wipe off ALL of them (in whole) is true. But the ACTS with intend to wipe off part of them is false. Genocide always refers to the whole..

Son your basic mistake was on concentrating on the word "intent". But like I said before there has not been any Internationally accepted definition of Genocide. The UN themselves still keep it a an objective definition.

Hade now you became wiser. Say thanks to your father, and I will always be here to assist you.

[Viewpoint]

Those pics are similar to the dead bodies of TCs dug up in Atlilar, Murataga and Sandallar




Fucking animals all I can say.

[Pyrpolizer]

As you can see VP there are fucking animals every where.

Give them food(=backup and the right conditions) and they will flood the world.

[Natty]

I don't know too much about the Armenian Genocide, and I know there are two sides to every story, but I found this Turkish professor talking about why he feels a genocide took place...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8xncQKCEQI

There's a full interview with him spilt into parts, the above is just a conclusion....

[karma]

Pyro, Pitsilos , View..it is Valentines day DAMN ITTTTTTTTT
pics are everywhere, from 1919 (massacred Turks), 1915 (massacred Armenians) 1922 (massacred Greeks of Asia Minor), 1944 (massacred Jew), 2007 (massacred Iraqi people)... and many more..
I m a collector, pm me if u really love seeing dead bodies..but not today..

[T_C]

OH THE POOR UNARMED ARMENIANS:




No matter what you present here there is something that will completely counter it too, so its not use, there needs to be an investigation. Simple!

Im sorry but I KNOW Turkeys not responsible, if they were they would of been convicted when they were in the hands of the British when they were trying to do all they possibly could to find them guilty. The Armenians nor the British could find ANY EVIDENCE to prove anything!

Funny how in the beginning NO ONE believed them, their evidence was weak, they were just lying and everyone knew it. 92 years worth of propaganda later people are believing them. Why didnt anyone believe a thing they had to say when it happened? Why couldnt the occupying British forces find the Ottomans guilty when they were trying their best to convict them?

[karma]

IT IS VALENTINES DAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

[T_C]

HAPPY VALENTINES DAY KARMA!

[shahmaran]

Pyr all i can say is that you speak like an utter IDIOT, what the hell do you mean "not a very good and a sloppy definition" ?!?! what so you know better then the dictionaries now?? go look it up yourself and stop wiggling and twisting and just take it like a man with some dignity, you were absolutely and utterly WRONG AGAIN and just admit it because you are beating a dead donkey now

dude its the intention, the reason, for the killings plus a substantial amount of successfull kills that makes it GENOCIDE! Holocaust was genocide (first legally recognised one), TCs was genocide, Armenians was not genocide!!!! 100 A bombs might kill a LOT of people but its indiscriminate killings, in that case Vietnam would have been genocide too since more people died than the Armenians, seriously man, i find it hard to believe that you have 3 kids to raise when you are sooo fucking thick you would make a plank of wood jelous, i think you are a teenager, and if you are not than god help your kids......following is ANOTHER definition for you, take your time to embrace your humiliating defeat and notice how Stalins 20 million murders is not in there, do you know why?!?

BECAUSE IT WAS NOT GENOCIDE AND ITS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE NUMBERS!!!!
i can see why numbers being less relevant might come as a shock to you...



anyways my favourite part is when you are trying to be so clever while trying to break down my last post in points and attack it in a "clever" way when you are compleatly dismissing the meanings of the word which has been established by ALL the English speaking nations as THE DEFINITION of the word, the word was coined in order to presecute the Nazzis in court, therefore you cannot break it up and redefinte it in segments, but clearly its still not enough to convince the good old Pyr because he has his own meanings which make a lot more sense....



genocide :


in international law, the intentional and systematic destruction, wholly or in part, by a government of a national, racial, religious, or ethnic group. Although the term genocide was first coined in 1944, the crime itself has been committed often in history. It was initially used to describe the systematic campaign for the extermination of peoples carried on by Nazi Germany, in its attempts in the 1930s and 40s to destroy the entire European Jewish community, and to eliminate other national groups in Eastern Europe. In 1945, the charter of the Nuremberg Tribunal listed persecution on racial or religious grounds as a crime for which the victorious Allies would try Nazi offenders. It established the principle of the individual accountability of government officials who carried out the extermination policies. The United Nations, by a convention concluded in 1949, defined in detail the crime of genocide and provided for its punishment by competent national courts of the state on whose territory the crime was committed, or by international tribunal. Charging that the convention violated national sovereignty, especially in its provision for an international tribunal and in the potential liability of an individual citizen, the United States did not ratify it until 37 years later, in 1986. An international tribunal was established to prosecute genocide cases in the aftermath of the slaughter of more than 500,000 Tutsis in Rwanda in 1994. In 1995 top civilian and military Bosnian Serb and Bosnian Croat leaders were charged by an international tribunal with genocide in the killing of thousands of Muslims during the breakup of the former Yugoslavia. 1
See studies by I. L. Horowitz (1981), L. Kuper (1982), E. Staub (1989), and S. Power (2001).