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Postby LENA » Sat Feb 10, 2007 5:11 pm

pitsilos wrote:zan can't view the video coz he might be up for charges for insulting his "turkishness", so there is a special program that zan installed on his computer to prevent him accidentally in previewing anything to do with insulting "turkisness". :lol:


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Postby zan » Sat Feb 10, 2007 5:39 pm

pitsilos wrote:kifeas is an individual, but what do you say when, talat says war is the last step when it came to the oil.

and we all know who told him to say this don't we zany boy? big momma turkey

what does that say about a state that has become a cheap pirate? shall we call them a murdering state? the same state that you unoficially are a province.? the same state you support. shall we call you a murderer zany boy?

no comment on this?

i told you before never take your imagination for a walk coz, it will take you around the block, and here is another perfect example of it running a riot :lol:



In response to your murdering Makarios or do we have to go through that again. Smart ass does as smart ass is. I see you too have taken to using that witty name. Bravo.
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Postby pitsilos » Sat Feb 10, 2007 11:49 pm

zany boy, no answer as to the murdering state's blackmails in 2007?

and you critisize kifeas, but when it comes to momma turkey makarios was/is the problem and everything is ok ain't it?

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Postby zan » Sun Feb 11, 2007 3:20 am

Watch all ten episodes smart-ass and then lick your self clean. As you don't really like reading and educating yourself you can watch the pretty pictures. I warn you though there is a bit of reading so use the pause button and try to sound out the words phonetically.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCmg7AdM ... ed&search=
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Postby shahmaran » Sun Feb 11, 2007 3:57 am

not a post goes by from Kifeas, which reassures me more and more everytime, that not only this man is full of racist hate, but he is also full of shit too...


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Postby T_C » Sun Feb 11, 2007 6:33 am

zan wrote:Watch all ten episodes smart-ass and then lick your self clean. As you don't really like reading and educating yourself you can watch the pretty pictures. I warn you though there is a bit of reading so use the pause button and try to sound out the words phonetically.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCmg7AdM ... ed&search=


Zan there are parts of the video missing, wtf??!?
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Postby miltiades » Sun Feb 11, 2007 10:30 am

shahmaran wrote:not a post goes by from Kifeas, which reassures me more and more everytime, that not only this man is full of racist hate, but he is also full of shit too...


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You are naturally talking about VP and yourself aren't you Sha?
Both you and VP have not uttered one conciliatory word , one tiny little word to at least show the forum members that both of you are Cypriots and proud to be so just as I'm , you both ignored my protests when Sourul made the accusation against me of hating T/Cs , when every post that I have made has included my genuine love for my T/C brothers and my wish that this island of ours would gain enormously if one day we have a T/C President of all Cyprus , just like in the UK the impending PM is Scottish. I have never detected hatred emanating from Kifeas against his fellow T/Cs , you go ahead and paste a post in which he spews hatred against the T/Cs. You as well as VP and Zan to a lesser extend have a preponderance to interpret a situation not on its merit but on how you think it should be interpreted , it is more evident when dealing with the "massacre " of the T/Cs that led to none dying 8 years prior to the Turkish invasion. Atrocities were committed by the FANATICS on both sides , and all reasonable people must condemn these acts .These murderous acts that occurred long before the invasion , were perpetrated by people who were fanatically attached to the idea that Cyprus had no identity other than , depending on which side they came from , Greek or Turkish. As a young man growing up in Cyprus at a time of peace as well as conflict , I witnessed the mindless hatred expressed by our people against also our people , both G/C (Akel ) and T/Cs. It is a disgrace that on a small island two peoples with so much in common and so closely associated with decency and respectability can not allow them selves the opportunity to forget the past and move on.
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Postby pitsilos » Sun Feb 11, 2007 11:11 am

http://www.yenisafak.com.tr/english/?q=1&c=31&i=29279&Turkey/says/US/Armenian/bill/would/hurt/ties

"(This bill) will endanger (U.S.) security interests," Gul said in a televised speech on his return from a week-long trip to the United States, without specifying how.

the threat :lol:

"Bush and Rice will warn Congress members about the bill because it is a potential danger to U.S. interests," he said.

the warning :lol:

The United States shares a number of security concerns with Turkey in the Middle East, and relies heavily on the U.S. military base at Incirlik in the south of the country.

the punishment :lol:

you can only laugh at gully boy's comments :lol:

ps. i am really surprised he didn't flop out a cassus beli :lol: but i think he forgot his cojones at home :lol:
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Postby pitsilos » Sun Feb 11, 2007 11:41 am

110th U.S. Congress (2007-2008)

HRES 106 IH


110th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. RES. 106
Calling upon the President to ensure that the foreign policy of the United States reflects appropriate understanding and sensitivity concerning issues related to human rights, ethnic cleansing, and genocide documented in the United States record relating to the Armenian Genocide, and for other purposes.


IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES


January 30, 2007

Mr. SCHIFF (for himself, Mr. RADANOVICH, Mr. PALLONE, Mr. KNOLLENBERG, Mr. SHERMAN, and Mr. MCCOTTER) submitted the following resolution; which was referred to the Committee on Foreign Affairs


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RESOLUTION
Calling upon the President to ensure that the foreign policy of the United States reflects appropriate understanding and sensitivity concerning issues related to human rights, ethnic cleansing, and genocide documented in the United States record relating to the Armenian Genocide, and for other purposes.

Resolved,


SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This resolution may be cited as the `Affirmation of the United States Record on the Armenian Genocide Resolution'.


SEC. 2. FINDINGS.

The House of Representatives finds the following:

(1) The Armenian Genocide was conceived and carried out by the Ottoman Empire from 1915 to 1923, resulting in the deportation of nearly 2,000,000 Armenians, of whom 1,500,000 men, women, and children were killed, 500,000 survivors were expelled from their homes, and which succeeded in the elimination of the over 2,500-year presence of Armenians in their historic homeland.

(2) On May 24, 1915, the Allied Powers, England, France, and Russia, jointly issued a statement explicitly charging for the first time ever another government of committing `a crime against humanity'.

(3) This joint statement stated `the Allied Governments announce publicly to the Sublime Porte that they will hold personally responsible for these crimes all members of the Ottoman Government, as well as those of their agents who are implicated in such massacres'.

(4) The post-World War I Turkish Government indicted the top leaders involved in the `organization and execution' of the Armenian Genocide and in the `massacre and destruction of the Armenians'.

(5) In a series of courts-martial, officials of the Young Turk Regime were tried and convicted, as charged, for organizing and executing massacres against the Armenian people.

(6) The chief organizers of the Armenian Genocide, Minister of War Enver, Minister of the Interior Talaat, and Minister of the Navy Jemal were all condemned to death for their crimes, however, the verdicts of the courts were not enforced.

(7) The Armenian Genocide and these domestic judicial failures are documented with overwhelming evidence in the national archives of Austria, France, Germany, Great Britain, Russia, the United States, the Vatican and many other countries, and this vast body of evidence attests to the same facts, the same events, and the same consequences.

(8) The United States National Archives and Record Administration holds extensive and thorough documentation on the Armenian Genocide, especially in its holdings under Record Group 59 of the United States Department of State, files 867.00 and 867.40, which are open and widely available to the public and interested institutions.

(9) The Honorable Henry Morgenthau, United States Ambassador to the Ottoman Empire from 1913 to 1916, organized and led protests by officials of many countries, among them the allies of the Ottoman Empire, against the Armenian Genocide.

(10) Ambassador Morgenthau explicitly described to the United States Department of State the policy of the Government of the Ottoman Empire as `a campaign of race extermination,' and was instructed on July 16, 1915, by United States Secretary of State Robert Lansing that the `Department approves your procedure . . . to stop Armenian persecution'.

(11) Senate Concurrent Resolution 12 of February 9, 1916, resolved that `the President of the United States be respectfully asked to designate a day on which the citizens of this country may give expression to their sympathy by contributing funds now being raised for the relief of the Armenians', who at the time were enduring `starvation, disease, and untold suffering'.

(12) President Woodrow Wilson concurred and also encouraged the formation of the organization known as Near East Relief, chartered by an Act of Congress, which contributed some $116,000,000 from 1915 to 1930 to aid Armenian Genocide survivors, including 132,000 orphans who became foster children of the American people.

(13) Senate Resolution 359, dated May 11, 1920, stated in part, `the testimony adduced at the hearings conducted by the sub-committee of the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations have clearly established the truth of the reported massacres and other atrocities from which the Armenian people have suffered'.

(14) The resolution followed the April 13, 1920, report to the Senate of the American Military Mission to Armenia led by General James Harbord, that stated `[m]utilation, violation, torture, and death have left their haunting memories in a hundred beautiful Armenian valleys, and the traveler in that region is seldom free from the evidence of this most colossal crime of all the ages'.

(15) As displayed in the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, Adolf Hitler, on ordering his military commanders to attack Poland without provocation in 1939, dismissed objections by saying `[w]ho, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?' and thus set the stage for the Holocaust.

(16) Raphael Lemkin, who coined the term `genocide' in 1944, and who was the earliest proponent of the United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Genocide, invoked the Armenian case as a definitive example of genocide in the 20th century.

(17) The first resolution on genocide adopted by the United Nations at Lemkin's urging, the December 11, 1946, United Nations General Assembly Resolution 96(1) and the United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Genocide itself recognized the Armenian Genocide as the type of crime the United Nations intended to prevent and punish by codifying existing standards.

(18) In 1948, the United Nations War Crimes Commission invoked the Armenian Genocide `precisely . . . one of the types of acts which the modern term `crimes against humanity' is intended to cover' as a precedent for the Nuremberg tribunals.

(19) The Commission stated that `[t]he provisions of Article 230 of the Peace Treaty of Sevres were obviously intended to cover, in conformity with the Allied note of 1915 . . ., offenses which had been committed on Turkish territory against persons of Turkish citizenship, though of Armenian or Greek race. This article constitutes therefore a precedent for Article 6c and 5c of the Nuremberg and Tokyo Charters, and offers an example of one of the categories of `crimes against humanity' as understood by these enactments'.

(20) House Joint Resolution 148, adopted on April 8, 1975, resolved: `[t]hat April 24, 1975, is hereby designated as `National Day of Remembrance of Man's Inhumanity to Man', and the President of the United States is authorized and requested to issue a proclamation calling upon the people of the United States to observe such day as a day of remembrance for all the victims of genocide, especially those of Armenian ancestry . . .'.

(21) President Ronald Reagan in proclamation number 4838, dated April 22, 1981, stated in part `like the genocide of the Armenians before it, and the genocide of the Cambodians, which followed it--and like too many other persecutions of too many other people--the lessons of the Holocaust must never be forgotten'.

(22) House Joint Resolution 247, adopted on September 10, 1984, resolved: `[t]hat April 24, 1985, is hereby designated as `National Day of Remembrance of Man's Inhumanity to Man', and the President of the United States is authorized and requested to issue a proclamation calling upon the people of the United States to observe such day as a day of remembrance for all the victims of genocide, especially the one and one-half million people of Armenian ancestry . . .'.

(23) In August 1985, after extensive study and deliberation, the United Nations SubCommission on Prevention of Discrimination and Protection of Minorities voted 14 to 1 to accept a report entitled `Study of the Question of the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide,' which stated `[t]he Nazi aberration has unfortunately not been the only case of genocide in the 20th century. Among other examples which can be cited as qualifying are . . . the Ottoman massacre of Armenians in 1915-1916'.

(24) This report also explained that `[a]t least 1,000,000, and possibly well over half of the Armenian population, are reliably estimated to have been killed or death marched by independent authorities and eye-witnesses. This is corroborated by reports in United States, German and British archives and of contemporary diplomats in the Ottoman Empire, including those of its ally Germany.'.

(25) The United States Holocaust Memorial Council, an independent Federal agency, unanimously resolved on April 30, 1981, that the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum would include the Armenian Genocide in the Museum and has since done so.

(26) Reviewing an aberrant 1982 expression (later retracted) by the United States Department of State asserting that the facts of the Armenian Genocide may be ambiguous, the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia in 1993, after a review of documents pertaining to the policy record of the United States, noted that the assertion on ambiguity in the United States record about the Armenian Genocide `contradicted longstanding United States policy and was eventually retracted'.

(27) On June 5, 1996, the House of Representatives adopted an amendment to House Bill 3540 (the Foreign Operations, Export Financing, and Related Programs Appropriations Act, 1997) to reduce aid to Turkey by $3,000,000 (an estimate of its payment of lobbying fees in the United States) until the Turkish Government acknowledged the Armenian Genocide and took steps to honor the memory of its victims.

(28) President William Jefferson Clinton, on April 24, 1998, stated: `This year, as in the past, we join with Armenian-Americans throughout the nation in commemorating one of the saddest chapters in the history of this century, the deportations and massacres of a million and a half Armenians in the Ottoman Empire in the years 1915-1923.'.

(29) President George W. Bush, on April 24, 2004, stated: `On this day, we pause in remembrance of one of the most horrible tragedies of the 20th century, the annihilation of as many as 1,500,000 Armenians through forced exile and murder at the end of the Ottoman Empire.'.

(30) Despite the international recognition and affirmation of the Armenian Genocide, the failure of the domestic and international authorities to punish those responsible for the Armenian Genocide is a reason why similar genocides have recurred and may recur in the future, and that a just resolution will help prevent future genocides.


SEC. 3. DECLARATION OF POLICY.

The House of Representatives--

(1) calls upon the President to ensure that the foreign policy of the United States reflects appropriate understanding and sensitivity concerning issues related to human rights, ethnic cleansing, and genocide documented in the United States record relating to the Armenian Genocide and the consequences of the failure to realize a just resolution; and

(2) calls upon the President in the President's annual message commemorating the Armenian Genocide issued on or about April 24, to accurately characterize the systematic and deliberate annihilation of 1,500,000 Armenians as genocide and to recall the proud history of United States intervention in opposition to the Armenian Genocide.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtex ... =hr110-106



zany boy i know this is a long document, but have plenty of breaks, water and dictionary handy :lol:
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Postby miltiades » Sun Feb 11, 2007 11:51 am

Just an exerpt from the Turkish Nespaper Yeni Safac , specialy for VP :

"""The draft, seen by the BBC ahead of its publication next week, says the pace of reforms has slowed down and it urges Turkey to ensure freedom of expression.
The report also shows Ankara has made no progress towards normalising relations with EU member Cyprus.
Turkey has not yet opened its air and sea ports to Cyprus, the north of which remains under Turkish occupation. ""

This in a Turkish newspaper and yet Mr. VP still refere to Cyprus in inverted commas !!! Notice what it says about the North.


Turkey has not yet opened its air and sea ports to Cyprus, the north of which remains under Turkish occupation.
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