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[pitsilos]

how the hell by endorsing democracy and freedom of speech in this whole thread you derived to me being a turk hater? its mind boggling.

is there annything wrong by saying turkey should take the lead in the armenian accusations in opening the archives within turkey and allow your own historians to refute/debate the problem?

wouldn't that be better than running around the world begging and selling your ass to the yanks for favours? there is no free lunch vp, you should know this out of all people.

i agree the yanks are not going to recognize the armenian claims, but at the same token, what has gul and the general yesterday promised to the yanks?

could it be the invasion of iran started already? and you want this?

what you are saying it doesn't make sence. think about it

[shahmaran]

i owe appology to no one, pitsilos if you are so sure that Turkey is not up for investigating the case then proove it, you seem to be so sure about Turkey lets see you evidence, everyone knows that Turkey has invited historians from both side, so stop acting like a rusty old record with no brains and start doing some explaining, coz both you and miltiades and pyr are the same, you just repeat twist and insult when you have no bullets left....

and pyr for the love of god stop PLAYING with numbers!!! there was not 1 village but there was Atlilar, Sandallilar, Murataga and Taskent and who knows where else would have been if they were not stopped, so cut the crap pyr, wtf 80 ppl you are laughable like miltiades, the guy only restores to loving EVERYONE when it suits him, talk about wiggling...

[Viewpoint]

You are unbelievable just go and look over your colourful posts where have tried to ridicule and degrade Turkeys stance over the Armenian issue, you are a Turk hater through and through and this is very obvious to everyone. You ask a question you get the answer and you ask the question yet again cause you don't like the answer, how can you discuss anything with someone who is so blinkered that he does not want to understand what the otherside is saying. No one is denying these people were killed but what we are saying is that Turkey should be given a fair trial before sentencing. You are together with the Armenian lobby accepting to judge this issue without listening to the other sides and labelling everyhting propaganda which we all know you are an expert at. Turkey is by no means a saint and has many problems but this happens all the world and is not unique to Turkey.

[pitsilos]

prove what shahmaran? the proove is in the putting. rather than open the archives and put the matter to rest, gul is kissing ass instead. its in the papers shahmaran.

ask your self this mate, if turkey had the goods, why kiss ass?

now prove to me turkey has the goods. you say the armenians are in the wrong you got any proof? all i hear is turkey denying it but not offering proof.

on top of that how any indivuals were dragged in front of courts for insulting turkishness, ie asking for open debates.
ok lets see your bullets shahmaran.

ps saying turkey said this and that it ain't proof. we need facts
show me open debates with facts.

[pitsilos]

You are unbelievable just go and look over your colourful posts where have tried to ridicule and degrade Turkeys stance over the Armenian issue, you are a Turk hater through and through and this is very obvious to everyone. You ask a question you get the answer and you ask the question yet again cause you don't like the answer, how can you discuss anything with someone who is so blinkered that he does not want to understand what the otherside is saying. No one is denying these people were killed but what we are saying is that Turkey should be given a fair trial before sentencing. You are together with the Armenian lobby accepting to judge this issue without listening to the other sides and labelling everyhting propaganda which we all know you are an expert at. Turkey is by no means a saint and has many problems but this happens all the world and is not unique to Turkey.

wtf is going on here? you are not the same vp as before. this a completely different person posting. same mentality by grammar is different. even the spelling mistakes are different.

who ever you are you can fool people, but not people where english is their main language.

take a hike

[shahmaran]

this is just it man, if Turkey doesnt think they have done it and if the world is soly acting up on the Armenian propaganda and lobys (just likee the GCs) then Turkey has already been put into a very unfair position, and IF Turkey has already suggested that the historians should investigate, what more do you want?! if France holds the right to punish anyone who denys the genocide without any real proof then so does Turkey hold the right to punish anyone who blames her for genocide without any proof, what is the differenec? because they are Turks and they MUST be dodgy?! what have you got to proove that Turkey is not open for investigations? you are so sure lets see you evidence....

here pitsilos just very briefly somethings i found with a quick search....


http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/20 ... 717af.html

http://www.armenian-genocide-lie.com/ar ... logue-call

http://www.guardian.co.uk/eu/story/0,,1892412,00.html

http://www.turkishweekly.net/comments.php?id=2048

http://www.bedribaykam.com/indexeng.php ... 21&arsiv=1

http://www.byegm.gov.tr/YAYINLARIMIZ/CH ... 2.HTM#%206

http://daily.stanford.edu/article/2005/ ... consistent

http://www.turkishweekly.net/news.php?id=32837

http://www.eurasianet.org/departments/c ... 0105.shtml

and finally just to refresh your memory on the case incase you have started to "forget" things...or maybe you just choose not to see because it suits your anti-turk views, and ofcourse DEFINATELY not brainwashed

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6045182.stm


so i would appreciate if you take the time to read it as i have taken the time to answer you and come back with evidence to support your claims...

[Viewpoint]

You are unbelievable just go and look over your colourful posts where have tried to ridicule and degrade Turkeys stance over the Armenian issue, you are a Turk hater through and through and this is very obvious to everyone. You ask a question you get the answer and you ask the question yet again cause you don't like the answer, how can you discuss anything with someone who is so blinkered that he does not want to understand what the otherside is saying. No one is denying these people were killed but what we are saying is that Turkey should be given a fair trial before sentencing. You are together with the Armenian lobby accepting to judge this issue without listening to the other sides and labelling everyhting propaganda which we all know you are an expert at. Turkey is by no means a saint and has many problems but this happens all the world and is not unique to Turkey.

wtf is going on here? you are not the same vp as before. this a completely different person posting. same mentality by grammar is different. even the spelling mistakes are different.

who ever you are you can fool people, but not people where english is their main language.

take a hike

WTF are you talking about now, you are such a con artist, you "take a hike" Turk hater, when your cornered and you don't want to answer you divert everyone's attention to something stupid like you are trying to do in this post, typical GC mentality.

[pitsilos]

this is just it man, if Turkey doesnt think they have done it and if the world is soly acting up on the Armenian propaganda and lobys (just likee the GCs) then Turkey has already been put into a very unfair position, and IF Turkey has already suggested that the historians should investigate, what more do you want?! if France holds the right to punish anyone who denys the genocide without any real proof then so does Turkey hold the right to punish anyone who blames her for genocide without any proof, what is the differenec? because they are Turks and they MUST be dodgy?! what have you got to proove that Turkey is not open for investigations? you are so sure lets see you evidence....

here pitsilos just very briefly somethings i found with a quick search....


http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/20 ... 717af.html

http://www.armenian-genocide-lie.com/ar ... logue-call

http://www.guardian.co.uk/eu/story/0,,1892412,00.html

http://www.turkishweekly.net/comments.php?id=2048

http://www.bedribaykam.com/indexeng.php ... 21&arsiv=1

http://www.byegm.gov.tr/YAYINLARIMIZ/CH ... 2.HTM#%206

http://daily.stanford.edu/article/2005/ ... consistent

http://www.turkishweekly.net/news.php?id=32837

http://www.eurasianet.org/departments/c ... 0105.shtml

and finally just to refresh your memory on the case incase you have started to "forget" things...or maybe you just choose not to see because it suits your anti-turk views, and ofcourse DEFINATELY not brainwashed

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6045182.stm


so i would appreciate if you take the time to read it as i have taken the time to answer you and come back with evidence to support your claims...

shahmaran, i already said the french are in the wrong in shuting down freedom of speech.

now i just clicked on one link and read only one.
this one
http://www.guardian.co.uk/eu/story/0,,1892412,00.html
now this article does not offer any proof or evidense at all, it only says less people were killed from a common cold.

i agree with tukey's stand on this one. france can't demand the high ground when it expects different from turkey.

are you sure you know what proof is mate. something directly out of the archives. have you got anything?

turkey doesn't need armenia to open the archives. she can do all that her self rather than go around kissing yanking ass mate. its embarrasing, when you claim you have archives and proof and you prefer to kiss ass instead.

[pitsilos]

the only reason the yanks are going for this is to extract concessions from turkey. blind freddy can see this.

concessions such as, establisment of kurdistan in iraq with kirkuk, or just maybe the invasion of iran has already started.

think about it.

[T_C]

pitsilos, the proof Turkey has isnt something which can be presented in a newspaper or a webpage.

For instance, the Armenians have so called proof in their museums which show "codes" from the Ottoman empire to exterminate the Armenians. The Turks are saying the Ottoman books and codes are still in one piece in the archives and the so called "codes" in the Armenian "proof" either dont exist or are inaccurate. The proof is not something that can be presented to me or you, its something that professionals must look at.

"After WW1 the Paris Peace Conference was held and the Armenians presented their massacre claims to the conference who heard them out and considered the evidence presented by the Armenians. The Peace Conference rejected the Armenians' massacre claims and gave them nothing for damages. The Armenians refused to accept the Peace Conference's "NO" answer and again asked to be heard and to present more evidence. The Paris Peace Conference agreed to allow the Armenians to present their massacre claims a second time and again--for a second time the Paris Peace Conference rejected the Armenians' claim against the Ottoman Empire and gave them nothing."