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[Pyrpolizer]

:lol: miltiades, thats quite large coming from yourself the ever loyal supporter of the American dream

Pyr ofcourse you dont, you know it all, you and the grandparents of your armenian buddies from the 1915s , the only real fact you hold is your ignorance

You are always free to go talk to any of the 4000 Armenians living in Cyprus, and get your facts straight.

[miltiades]

The Armenian genocide happenned . Full stop .

[pitsilos]

turkey is not bringing any evidence because she wants to stone wall. because if turkey had any frieking evidence she would be taking full page ads in the washington post and the new york times. and don't you worry about that.

the question is, are you even allowed to discuss this subject without jeopardizing yourself? this is how pathetis it is, where a debate in turkey is punishable by law. where you do not even allow your own historians not alone to see the evidence, but banning them from ever discussing it.

pitsilos, you are wrong there because the Turkish archives are open for anyone to go and read, historians and students alike.

The Armenian archives on the other hand are the ones thats shut and not open for inspection by anyone, its them who are hiding not the Turks.

And Turkey DID just what you said on the Washington Post, May 27, 2005...but again it was labelled as "propaganda".

On October 17, 2005 there was even a DVD with Time magazine about Turkey and it included a 70min program about the "genocide"...again...."propaganda".

This is why Turkey wants an investigation, because no matter what they say the Armenians are adamant they were subjected to a genocide.
I have no doubt a lot of them got killed but it wasnt a genocide in the sense that Turkish people just decided to kill them for no reason.

I know for a fact that they were butchering Turks. At the same time I know Turks ended up butchering them too, ALOT of them. They were killing Turks left right and center while Turks were fighting a war, when Turks retaliated a whole load of Armenians ended up getting killed, but it was nothing to do with a planned extermination of Armenians. I dont think Turkeys innocent at all and they did kill them, but I know that Armenians have a lot more involvement then they would have the world believe, hence why they wont agree to an investigation and hence why their archives are locked and kept away from EVERYONE!

all they did is denied it in those ads, they didn't offer and evidence, and that means its propaganda.

coz if they have any evidence, they would have one more a helluva more don't you think?

again I will ask you why doesn't turkey open her arcives, find proof and then publish them.

and don't come back with a lame excuse the arcives are open. yeah, like orhan that said the armenian should be questioned and landed in court. well if they are open for all to see why procecute the guy?

[miltiades]

Karma , you are forgetting that France produces the finest red wines IN THE WORLD !
Since when did France warrant comparison with Turkey for fucks sake man.

[Pyrpolizer]

Ignore her. She is looking for a Turkish husband now....

[shahmaran]

Turkey has openly said that the Historians should investigate, Orhan did not only say that it DID happen, he also gave exagerated numbers on both Armenians and Kurds, which he had no proof of, and on top of all of that he also insulted Ataturk in his books, therfore making him a very unpoppular character in Turkey, so get your facts straight pistilos...

and Pyr with your numbers again, why dont you come and talk to the 80 million Turks and see if they can change your mind, im sure there are millions of them who can tell you how their ancestors got butchered by the Armenians back in the day, but i very much doubt they can change your mind, because you are as stubborn as Miltiades and neither of you have any ground to stand on, makes you nothing but ridiculous...


Greeks make great wine and we all know how they turned out

[pitsilos]

Turkey has openly said that the Historians should investigate, Orhan did not only say that it DID happen, he also gave exagerated numbers on both Armenians and Kurds, which he had no proof of, and on top of all of that he also insulted Ataturk in his books, therfore making him a very unpoppular character in Turkey, so get your facts straight pistilos...

well why doesn't turkey open her own archves with her own historians and examine the evidence and present them to shut everyone up. create a debate within the country, and there is nothing wrong with this approach. any idea on this?

i think you are confused, orhan went to court, not for insulting ataturk, which in a not brainwashed society is the norm to critisize, he would have been lynched by the wolvies shahmaran. but for questioning the armenian genocide. and so what if he qouted numbers, can't the state refute him? is is against the law to quote numbers shahmaran? why land him in court.

the funny thing is that facts are staring you in the face but you find denial due to a lenghty brainwashing process to dismiss everything even if the facts are staring you right in the face.

and the biggest fact is, why in turkey is a criminal offence to have opinions about history that refute state line? because you are covering something, simple as that.

here is another one shahmaran. why lattifas letters ain't publish for all to see about the great man? why do you think? do you think there is something is in those letters that wil bring the big man down and create mass hysteria? whas he a meat lover? did he like boys? what would be so damning that the state won't alow publication? what is the turkey state hiding?
because if turkey wasn't hiding anything she would have gotten extra miles in publishing those letters.

what really surprices me is, you as a young intelligent man, is unable to look at something, question it and see the obvious.

[shahmaran]

Turkey has openly said that the Historians should investigate, Orhan did not only say that it DID happen, he also gave exagerated numbers on both Armenians and Kurds, which he had no proof of, and on top of all of that he also insulted Ataturk in his books, therfore making him a very unpoppular character in Turkey, so get your facts straight pistilos...

well why doesn't turkey open her own archves with her own historians and examine the evidence and present them to shut everyone up. create a debate within the country, and there is nothing wrong with this approach. any idea on this?

i think you are confused, orhan went to court, not for insulting ataturk, which in a not brainwashed society is the norm to critisize, he would have been lynched by the wolvies shahmaran. but for questioning the armenian genocide. and so what if he qouted numbers, can't the state refute him? is is against the law to quote numbers shahmaran? why land him in court.

the funny thing is that facts are staring you in the face but you find denial due to a lenghty brainwashing process to dismiss everything even if the facts are staring you right in the face.

and the biggest fact is, why in turkey is a criminal offence to have opinions about history that refute state line? because you are covering something, simple as that.

here is another one shahmaran. why lattifas letters ain't publish for all to see about the great man? why do you think? do you think there is something is in those letters that wil bring the big man down and create mass hysteria? whas he a meat lover? did he like boys? what would be so damning that the state won't alow publication? what is the turkey state hiding?
because if turkey wasn't hiding anything she would have gotten extra miles in publishing those letters.

what really surprices me is, you as a young intelligent man, is unable to look at something, question it and see the obvious.

my god pistilos, i was in the country at the time i did follow it pretty closely, he was accused of the speech he gave to a SWISS NEWSPAPER for talking about the killings of the Armenians and Kurds, he was also on tv for certain remarks he made towards Ataturk IN HIS BOOKS, anyhow the case is dropped so no one has actually been charged with anything. so its ok to charge people in France for not accepting the genocide but its not ok to charge people in Turkey for accepting the genocide? i fail to see the difference from an objective point of view, so please care to explain, how does this make Turkey less fair?

So talk about being brainwashed man, you really only seem to be reading whatever you want to understand....so you think there is a big conspiracy going on in Turkey then huh? 80 million has aggreed to keep this quiet and never accept the Armenian thing...nice one...im quite happy that no one is allowed to critcise Ataturk and Turkey, because the only people who do are either the separatist or the radical muslims, and as far as i am concerned they can all dissapear 1 by 1 and i couldnt care less to be honest...

[Viewpoint]

The Armenian genocide happenned . Full stop .

What a load of crap, prove it...Full Stop.

Anything to discredit Turkey, this anti Turkey shit is getting out of hand and shows your own racists attitude towards a country that put you in your place in 1974, thats your wound the rest is just the pain and anguish of losing 37% of your island. Well continue with running Turkey into the ground it will get you absoulutely nowhere but only confirms once again your own arrogance and stubborness which Turkish Cypriots would do well to take head of as confirmation of what it would you would have to deal with sharing a united Cyprus, with annoying arrogant know it alls, who in fact are so blinded by their hatred for anything Turkish and therefore cannot display a balanced viewpoint. You have been Judge, jury and executioner and condemned Turkey without a fair trial.

You are not experts or historians on this subject all you do is put forward your personal crapy views, if the Armenians can prove genocide let them go ahead but dont expect Turks to take this laying down they to will fight their corner with everything they have and prove that these people were back stabbers who died during a great war through famine, illness and war killings.

[pitsilos]

Turkey has openly said that the Historians should investigate, Orhan did not only say that it DID happen, he also gave exagerated numbers on both Armenians and Kurds, which he had no proof of, and on top of all of that he also insulted Ataturk in his books, therfore making him a very unpoppular character in Turkey, so get your facts straight pistilos...

well why doesn't turkey open her own archves with her own historians and examine the evidence and present them to shut everyone up. create a debate within the country, and there is nothing wrong with this approach. any idea on this?

i think you are confused, orhan went to court, not for insulting ataturk, which in a not brainwashed society is the norm to critisize, he would have been lynched by the wolvies shahmaran. but for questioning the armenian genocide. and so what if he qouted numbers, can't the state refute him? is is against the law to quote numbers shahmaran? why land him in court.

the funny thing is that facts are staring you in the face but you find denial due to a lenghty brainwashing process to dismiss everything even if the facts are staring you right in the face.

and the biggest fact is, why in turkey is a criminal offence to have opinions about history that refute state line? because you are covering something, simple as that.

here is another one shahmaran. why lattifas letters ain't publish for all to see about the great man? why do you think? do you think there is something is in those letters that wil bring the big man down and create mass hysteria? whas he a meat lover? did he like boys? what would be so damning that the state won't alow publication? what is the turkey state hiding?
because if turkey wasn't hiding anything she would have gotten extra miles in publishing those letters.

what really surprices me is, you as a young intelligent man, is unable to look at something, question it and see the obvious.

my god pistilos, i was in the country at the time i did follow it pretty closely, he was accused of the speech he gave to a SWISS NEWSPAPER for talking about the killings of the Armenians and Kurds, he was also on tv for certain remarks he made towards Ataturk IN HIS BOOKS, anyhow the case is dropped so no one has actually been charged with anything. so its ok to charge people in France for not accepting the genocide but its not ok to charge people in Turkey for accepting the genocide? i fail to see the difference from an objective point of view, so please care to explain, how does this make Turkey less fair?

So talk about being brainwashed man, you really only seem to be reading whatever you want to understand....so you think there is a big conspiracy going on in Turkey then huh? 80 million has aggreed to keep this quiet and never accept the Armenian thing...nice one...im quite happy that no one is allowed to critcise Ataturk and Turkey, because the only people who do are either the separatist or the radical muslims, and as far as i am concerned they can all dissapear 1 by 1 and i couldnt care less to be honest...

so be let me get this straight you can be accused for giving an interview and criticizing ataturk contrary to the state line? And you are ok with this? Amazing. Well ok off with his head.

as far as france is concerned I don’t think the bill will pass through anyway, and yes I am also against criminalizing freedom of speech in any case. Can you say the same?

Shahmaran, the point is not what I read or believe, in turkey, its against the law to even think about it.
I lived in china for a number of years and early on I had a discussion with some chinese about their system. And I said the Chinese system prohibits freedom of free expression. Their reply was you don’t know what you are talking about. Coz from their perspective they knew nothing else. Get the point? This is called brainwashing. The Turkish seep state has been instrumental in suppressing free thought when it comes to question time.

shahmaran, I asked you before and you ignore to answer, why doesn’t turkey open her own archives debate them internally and present them to the world? Surely you don’t need Armenians to hold your hand do you?

[quote im quite happy that no one is allowed to critcise Ataturk and Turkey][/quote]
For me this says it all shahmaran. Finaly an admission of the deep state on mass brainwashing. Let me ask you shahmaran, whats wroing with debating facts? You think some myths will be busted? Why is turkey shit scared?

separatist or the radical muslims,

Nice one, already labeled for expressing an opinion, well you left out the peasants.