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[elko]

I look into this form roughly once in every three months to see if anything has changed but unfortunately none.

Let us leave the politics to one side. My sincere view is that the Cyprus Problem has passed the point of no return. there can be no going back and no united Cyprus. Until ROC entered EU, people perceived GCs as the victims. Now the tide has turned. GCs with their antics and big talk against Turkey has set the tide against them. I think five years is a good estimate.

I took part actively in the campaign to vote "yes" for the Annan Plan. If there was a similar referendum tomorrow, I would vote "no" without any hesitation because now I am convinced that the GCs are not well intentioned against TCs.
ismet

[Piratis]

Partition is what we have de facto today since Turkey started a war and occupied 1/3rd of Cyprus.

This will not be legalized, and this is what we will continue having until the balance of power will change and then we will take our land back.

Meanwhile we should make sure to harm our enemies that occupy our country as much as possible.

[zan]

so let me gets this straight zan, you want the embargoes lifted and ports open, so your human rights are restored, right?

what about the human rights of the 200,000 gc and the human rights of the 50,000 tcs. would their human be respected as well?

whats to say after the ports open, embargoes lifted you turn around and stick 2 fingers to the gs?

what have you done as a community to earn it? varosha is empty, and used by the militia you call army. why not give it back to its citizens. it serves no purpose. how about re building it and running the port together, gotta start somewhere.

but instead the puppet puts up a bridge, warn not to go ahead, then a whole slap in the face from momma turkey, then he pulls it down. and you wanna get rewarded with restoration of your human rights.

gee how did i fail to see your logic.

Start talking with the TRNC and agree joint membership and joint paperwork that is not only under the RoC and then see what they say. To the rest....You ask us to trust you when you tried to wipe us out but you will not trust us when we voted yes to a plan that in the eyes of the voters meant unification. Don't tell me what the AP really meant because not even the governments of either side fully understood it until a long while after let alone the people on the ground. More and more your rhetoric is sounding like that of intransigence and of propaganda. I can see we are about to go through another one of those periods where every body starts screaming at each other.


For me...I could not give a flying F**k for what you say because at best it is three lines of nothing.

[miltiades]

The reality Zan is that part of Cyprus is under the occupation of a foreign country , this is how the rest of the world see it and this is reality.I'm the first to criticize the government of the ROC for inaction in pursuing policies to bring the two communities together , but I will always support one Cyprus and one Cypriot identity.

I refute that with all my heart. It was my leaders that asked for the intervention and it is still my leaders that have been forced to settle in a part of their country because the other part through hostilities has been made unavailable to us. Now present circumstances dictate a rethink on the whole matter. Unless this is done and the tricks and games stop the present situation will be the norm. There are a number of people from both sides that are willing to talk but it seems that the ones that will not talk are the ones in charge. The RoC that says it represents all Cypriots has to show the way and do just that and represent all the people but alas they are not. You, as a self-declared champion of the Cypriot people should be petitioning them not trying to sell us a faulty bag of goods. You have accepted this fact many times but still your biggest attempts are aimed at us.

Zan I readily agree that the RoC ought to be concentrating far more on policies that will be seen by our T/C compatriots as constructive in bringing our communities together , recognition of course is not on the agenda as you obviously appreciate. I also feel that it is not sufficient to continue the present policy of representing all of Cypriots , but to intensify efforts to be seen actively promoting the interests of the T/Cs within the concept of one Cyprus . Rest assured that every opportunity that presents itself to me I grasp and loudly proclaim that we ought to be concentrating on building those bridges of trust with deeds and not political jargon.

[zan]

I look into this form roughly once in every three months to see if anything has changed but unfortunately none.

Let us leave the politics to one side. My sincere view is that the Cyprus Problem has passed the point of no return. there can be no going back and no united Cyprus. Until ROC entered EU, people perceived GCs as the victims. Now the tide has turned. GCs with their antics and big talk against Turkey has set the tide against them. I think five years is a good estimate.

I took part actively in the campaign to vote "yes" for the Annan Plan. If there was a similar referendum tomorrow, I would vote "no" without any hesitation because now I am convinced that the GCs are not well intentioned against TCs.
ismet

I look into this form roughly once in every three months to see if anything has changed but unfortunately none.

Let us leave the politics to one side. My sincere view is that the Cyprus Problem has passed the point of no return. there can be no going back and no united Cyprus. Until ROC entered EU, people perceived GCs as the victims. Now the tide has turned. GCs with their antics and big talk against Turkey has set the tide against them. I think five years is a good estimate.

I took part actively in the campaign to vote "yes" for the Annan Plan. If there was a similar referendum tomorrow, I would vote "no" without any hesitation because now I am convinced that the GCs are not well intentioned against TCs.
ismet

I look into this form roughly once in every three months to see if anything has changed but unfortunately none.

Let us leave the politics to one side. My sincere view is that the Cyprus Problem has passed the point of no return. there can be no going back and no united Cyprus. Until ROC entered EU, people perceived GCs as the victims. Now the tide has turned. GCs with their antics and big talk against Turkey has set the tide against them. I think five years is a good estimate.

I took part actively in the campaign to vote "yes" for the Annan Plan. If there was a similar referendum tomorrow, I would vote "no" without any hesitation because now I am convinced that the GCs are not well intentioned against TCs.
ismet

In case you missed it RoC I have re posted it three times. You are losing the war to try and win us back. There is not a court in the world that can pass judgment over us. We the people will speak and the world will have to act.

[shahmaran]

Partition is what we have de facto today since Turkey started a war and occupied 1/3rd of Cyprus.

This will not be legalized, and this is what we will continue having until the balance of power will change and then we will take our land back.

Meanwhile we should make sure to harm our enemies that occupy our country as much as possible.

This, very neatly, sums up the kind of mentality the people of the TRNC are dealing with, except that unfortunately not everyone is as open as he is, this is the perfect example of the mentality behind every move of the the RoC and the sneeky Greeks who vaged a war upon us along with a long term agenda to claim the whole island as Greek

The desperate hope for the possible shift in the balance of power might help some of you sleep better at night, but the truth is that the chances of it happening is next to almost none and even if it did ever come to that, you would not be around to see it, you WILL share this island with us, so start getting used to it....

[BirKibrisli]

The biggest obstacle for reunification is not the presence of 40,000Turkish troops,but the presence of over 200,000 settlers. These are the people who can be directed to give any answer Ankara wants.They voted 65% for the Annan plan as directed,and they voted 65% against reunification recently as directed...This is the brutal fact. TCs have lost any say whatsoever regarding what happens in Cyprus. If I was Tpapa I'd do everything I can to attrack as many real TCs to the RoC as possible.When there are 65000 real TCs in the Republic we can all rise up and ask Turkey to pull her troops and her settlers from our country.Else,it is game set and match...

[pitsilos]

if we are heading for partition today what would you have said the last 30 years when there was no interaction?

i put it down to scaremongering by the one sided polls, to which vp, hangs on with his dear life, while not providing what questions were asked and who they asked.

if turkey wanted a solution she would have accepted the eu plan, which would have seen varosha returned for a re-build, with the main beneficiares being the tcs. the co-running of the ports, etc. but as usual turkey turned it down at the expence of the tcs.

turkey today does not want a solution and i doubt they will in the near future.

yes i heard about the annan plan, so what? if the roles were reversed the same result would have been expected.

what the tcs are missing is that the very same thing they are asking for, preservation of their community, masters in their own domain, they are more than happy to discount it to turkey. so vp keeps on telling us. go figure.

and if that wasn't enough you got talat mouthing off, obviously under direct orders from turkey, with war as the last resort when it comes to the oil. as if the tcs will get any benefit out of it. i think kikapu was right the tcs will swap the oil for lemons from turkey.

[Viewpoint]

Birkibrisli

If I was Tpapa I'd do everything I can to attrack as many real TCs to the RoC as possible.When there are 65000 real TCs in the Republic we can all rise up and ask Turkey to pull her troops and her settlers from our country.Else,it is game set and match...

Couldn't agree more, the GCs are being shafted big time thanks to Papdop and people like pits cant see this.

[Viewpoint]

pits

if we are heading for partition today what would you have said the last 30 years when there was no interaction?

People can now decide for themselves that there is absolutely no chance of sharing a burger with people with your mentality let alone a country.

if turkey wanted a solution she would have accepted the eu plan, which would have seen varosha returned for a re-build, with the main beneficiares being the tcs. the co-running of the ports, etc. but as usual turkey turned it down at the expence of the tcs.

Where did it say that this should happen for easing of isolation on the TCs? the EU promised and has re-confirmed this promise to bring the TCs closer to the EU by finding ways to lift isolation but didn't ask for Maras or anything else in return. This is what you want for allowing us to direct trade via joint ports and quite rightly we refused, will you also run the ports jointly?

turkey today does not want a solution and i doubt they will in the near future.

Ditto for the GC "RoC"

what the tcs are missing is that the very same thing they are asking for, preservation of their community, masters in their own domain, they are more than happy to discount it to turkey. so vp keeps on telling us. go figure.

Well the toss up in a 2 horse race was Turkey or the GCs and you came second.

and if that wasn't enough you got talat mouthing off, obviously under direct orders from turkey, with war as the last resort when it comes to the oil. as if the tcs will get any benefit out of it. i think kikapu was right the tcs will swap the oil for lemons from turkey.

Papadop has already stated that a solution will come before you extract oil so that must tell you something he is trying to calm the whole situation down has he cannot afford a confrontation with Turkey who he knows is very serious about this issue and would not come out of this smelling of roses. Turkey has today declared they will look for oil in the same region as the GCs, now let see what you are going to do about, complain to all and sundry but poor little GC "RoC" no one seems to care or come to your aid.