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[BirKibrisli]

Just to throw a little spanner in the fireworks,I also think Viewpoint is/are more than one person. I have had many runins with VP as you can imagine,and shared personal information with him,/her/them.But Viewpoint seems to have many gaps in his/her/their memory when it comes to personal information I shared with them.

But think about it. Do you really believe that we'll have these political forums on Cyprus and the two sides would not try to infulence our opinions?

Viewpoints are obviously puting the points of view of the official TRNC policy.Now,the question is who are their equivalent on the RoC side in these forums??? For I bet you anything,they are here too...

You got me Bir...Special Agent DT. I am in charge of the propaganda programme here in New COnstaninople. We work out of the Makarios wing in the Grivas building.

New CONstantinople huh? No mate NEW CONs are in the USA.

And you wouldn't be putting your hand up so quickly if you were one of the special agents. Unless of course you are brilliant,and got in first to draw suspicion away from yourself...Hmmmmmm.I was very decisive once,but now I am not so sure...

[Kikapu]

Just to throw a little spanner in the fireworks,I also think Viewpoint is/are more than one person. I have had many runins with VP as you can imagine,and shared personal information with him,/her/them.But Viewpoint seems to have many gaps in his/her/their memory when it comes to personal information I shared with them.

But think about it. Do you really believe that we'll have these political forums on Cyprus and the two sides would not try to infulence our opinions?

Viewpoints are obviously puting the points of view of the official TRNC policy.Now,the question is who are their equivalent on the RoC side in these forums??? For I bet you anything,they are here too...

How so many people can claim to be enlightened and educated be so stupid, well done! Bir you have jumped on the same band wagon, maybe I have a bad memory or I don't feel its important enough to recall personal details about you. But please all continue with your 2 people theories as it makes me laugh every time I read such crap as you are all wrong and showing how you cannot really thing clearly without seeing shadows when they are not really there and makes me question whether you are capable of arguing the Cyprus issue objectively.

VP,

I have accused you of being more than one person behind "VIEWPOINT", and you said that was not so, so I let it go, because I can't prove anything, other than slight variation in style of writing, but that could also be attributed to various times of the day, when one feel a little tired, but yesterday I gave you an article to read from the past from Cyprus Forum, because you were questioning my being a TC or not, and after you read it, you said, it was time to go past this issue with your opinion about me. Then last night, the same issue came up, questioning about my being TC. So the question then comes to mind, is it the same person that asked the question yesterday morning and last night.


Yoo tell me.

[BirKibrisli]

Kikapu,
What Viewpoints need is a coordinator or director,because my suspision is they are more than two. Or perhaps they do have a coordinator,and you will have to wait till they find him/her to get approval for the reply...

[Kikapu]

Kikapu,
What Viewpoints need is a coordinator or director,because my suspision is they are more than two. Or perhaps they do have a coordinator,and you will have to wait till they find him/her to get approval for the reply...

Bir,

You have experience in production, perhaps you can tell them, where they are going wrong, because sometimes the left hand does not know what the right hand is doing.

Well, I actually know what the right hand is doing, but I won't go there.

Although, I did use the word "MASSDEBATERS" not too long ago.

[shahmaran]

its jsut soo easy for you guys to gang up on VP, ahhh where is Zan when you need him

Kikapu, with all due respect, altho im sure you are TC (and same goes for Birkibrisli), because there is no point in doubting anything on the contrary since there is no way to proove it and i will just take your word for it, its hard to see where you draw the line between your ethnicity and your nationality, because as much as these guys here shout that they are Cypriots not Greeks, when it comes to ethnic background and the GREAT history of the Greeks with all its arts and philosophy and scientists, they sure love to take credit and BE Greek for the moment and be proud and defensive of their past and rights, however you seem to have no affiliation whatsoever with "Turkishness", and altho your political stance on the matter claims to be objective and "what is best for ALL Cypriots regardless of their ethnicity" which i do respect very much, from the view point of the people who actually live in the TRNC, you come off to being a lot more against us than with us.

Now you might say "well thats exactly BECAUSE i dont live there, and i dont feel as emotional as you do" the truth of the matter is that, WE DO live here, and we do have to face with the practical realities and difficulties of the isolations everyday of ourlives, and for you to see something like "direct flights to the TRNC" too much for us, does raise a lot of questions in ones mind about your priorities, afterall who can possibly be from the TRNC and claim that such a simple right can actually be seen as an obstacle for true peace and unity on the island, unless ofcourse you aggree on EVERYTHING with the GCs, who seem to be defending their sides a LOT more selfishly and stubbornly than you do...i dont think there is 1 GC here that is as "objective" as you are...

i really do think that your "objective" point of view on the matter is highly tilted to the south and im sure it would have been different if you did actually live amongst us and faced with the reality of Cyprus every day...and by that i mean in the TRNC.

[BirKibrisli]

Kikapu,
What Viewpoints need is a coordinator or director,because my suspision is they are more than two. Or perhaps they do have a coordinator,and you will have to wait till they find him/her to get approval for the reply...

Bir,

You have experience in production, perhaps you can tell them, where they are going wrong, because sometimes the left hand does not know what the right hand is doing.

Well, I actually know what the right hand is doing, but I won't go there.

Although, I did use the word "MASSDEBATERS" not too long ago.

What they need most is what is called in Film and TV production "Continuity".It is more of a scriptwriting tool in this case.
They have to have a character list where they list all the personal information and prominent character features of their interlocuters.

I remember your using "Massdebaters",and came up with my own word (not entirely original ) at the time, "Musterbators". Feel free to use that as well...

[Viewpoint]

Just to throw a little spanner in the fireworks,I also think Viewpoint is/are more than one person. I have had many runins with VP as you can imagine,and shared personal information with him,/her/them.But Viewpoint seems to have many gaps in his/her/their memory when it comes to personal information I shared with them.

But think about it. Do you really believe that we'll have these political forums on Cyprus and the two sides would not try to infulence our opinions?

Viewpoints are obviously puting the points of view of the official TRNC policy.Now,the question is who are their equivalent on the RoC side in these forums??? For I bet you anything,they are here too...

How so many people can claim to be enlightened and educated be so stupid, well done! Bir you have jumped on the same band wagon, maybe I have a bad memory or I don't feel its important enough to recall personal details about you. But please all continue with your 2 people theories as it makes me laugh every time I read such crap as you are all wrong and showing how you cannot really thing clearly without seeing shadows when they are not really there and makes me question whether you are capable of arguing the Cyprus issue objectively.

VP,

I have accused you of being more than one person behind "VIEWPOINT", and you said that was not so, so I let it go, because I can't prove anything, other than slight variation in style of writing, but that could also be attributed to various times of the day, when one feel a little tired, but yesterday I gave you an article to read from the past from Cyprus Forum, because you were questioning my being a TC or not, and after you read it, you said, it was time to go past this issue with your opinion about me. Then last night, the same issue came up, questioning about my being TC. So the question then comes to mind, is it the same person that asked the question yesterday morning and last night.


Yoo tell me.

I let it pass as I didn't see the point arguing but then when other Tcs also started to question your ethnic origin it brought back my suspicions, why don't you put things to rest and give a verse in Turkish of your life in old Cyprus, I know this may not be that convincing but at least we will know whether you know any Turkish. Another point that brings doubt is that you argue your points like a GCs mostly tilted in their direction which leads us to believe they are in the right and we are in the wrong. You never say I want this for TCs you claim to be balanced but unfortunately we Cypriots are not blessed with this trait and therefore brings you into question. Please do not get someone else to write your paragraph as this would really defeat the object and be a lie if you know no Turkish then be honest and just say so.

[BirKibrisli]

its jsut soo easy for you guys to gang up on VP, ahhh where is Zan when you need him

Kikapu, with all due respect, altho im sure you are TC (and same goes for Birkibrisli), because there is no point in doubting anything on the contrary since there is no way to proove it and i will just take your word for it, its hard to see where you draw the line between your ethnicity and your nationality, because as much as these guys here shout that they are Cypriots not Greeks, when it comes to ethnic background and the GREAT history of the Greeks with all its arts and philosophy and scientists, they sure love to take credit and BE Greek for the moment and be proud and defensive of their past and rights, however you seem to have no affiliation whatsoever with "Turkishness", and altho your political stance on the matter claims to be objective and "what is best for ALL Cypriots regardless of their ethnicity" which i do respect very much, from the view point of the people who actually live in the TRNC, you come off to being a lot more against us than with us.

Now you might say "well thats exactly BECAUSE i dont live there, and i dont feel as emotional as you do" the truth of the matter is that, WE DO live here, and we do have to face with the practical realities and difficulties of the isolations everyday of ourlives, and for you to see something like "direct flights to the TRNC" too much for us, does raise a lot of questions in ones mind about your priorities, afterall who can possibly be from the TRNC and claim that such a simple right can actually be seen as an obstacle for true peace and unity on the island, unless ofcourse you aggree on EVERYTHING with the GCs, who seem to be defending their sides a LOT more selfishly and stubbornly than you do...i dont think there is 1 GC here that is as "objective" as you are...

i really do think that your "objective" point of view on the matter is highly tilted to the south and im sure it would have been different if you did actually live amongst us and faced with the reality of Cyprus every day...and by that i mean in the TRNC.

Thank you ,Shah for your trust.It would indeed be pointless for anyone to pretend they are what they are not. Having lived away from the cauldron which is Cyprus ,we did achieve a certain "alienation effect" as Brecht would've called it. That is the ability to stand back a bit and look at the whole picture realistically. It is often dificult to see the wood from the trees when you are in the middle of it. TCs who live in the TRNC have my utmost respect.Those who are not profiting from the spoils of war that is.Those who try against great odds to maintain their identity and self respect and dignity. I believe they are the majority of the TC left on the island. Speaking for myself,I feel great pain seeing you people struggle to survive in that turbulent sea,clutching onto that leaking boat and swimming towards certain assimilation and death of your(my) community.While listening to 50 year old lullabies sang by our glorious leaders...
My pain is doubled because I know how proud TCs are as individuals,and how hard it is for them to know that the only people who can save them from extinction are their "enemies" on the other side,who seem to be taking a sadistic pleasure watching them with distain,and pushing them away with a smirk on their faces, towards their certain death...

[Kikapu]

I let it pass as I didn't see the point arguing but then when other Tcs also started to question your ethnic origin it brought back my suspicions, why don't you put things to rest and give a verse in Turkish of your life in old Cyprus, I know this may not be that convincing but at least we will know whether you know any Turkish. Another point that brings doubt is that you argue your points like a GCs mostly tilted in their direction which leads us to believe they are in the right and we are in the wrong. You never say I want this for TCs you claim to be balanced but unfortunately we Cypriots are not blessed with this trait and therefore brings you into question. Please do not get someone else to write your paragraph as this would really defeat the object and be a lie if you know no Turkish then be honest and just say so.

VP,

Let me get this straight. I wrote a long journal for all to read of my childhood, from the first days of bullets flying in 1963, soon after you were born, and still depending on your mother's milk, written July 2006, and you want to question my ethnicity and whether I'm a TC or a GC. What are you, CRAZY. What did you think, I planted a "fairy tale" story 8 months in advance, so that I may use it one day. I think you need a stiff drink VP.

My Turkish education only went as far as age 11, and since then, it has been only in English. I can read Turkish fairly good, speak it much better, but not great writing it. I gave a sample of my Turkish writing to another member in a PM, and if they want to share it with you, they have my permission. I will not disclose who the person was.

I know you're still wondering, why not write another journal in Turkish. I can, but you might get to read it next year, when it is finished.

I have a better idea. Why don't you PM me your Mobile phone number, and I will call you anytime you give the word, by letting me know on the forum. You can pick the time, so that you know, I won't have a "Turkish impost er" standing by, to make the call for me on my behalf. I promise not to give out your phone number to anyone. You can trust my word of honour.

I do not take the side of the GC's VP, I take the side of Cyprus. The only reason you think I'm tilting towards the GC's, is because it goes against what you personally want, which I don't give a damn about, if it's not going to help the Greater Good of the TC's and GC's, and most importantly, CYPRUS. You want the playing field to be levelled, then you need to see it from both sides, and not just from ours (TC's).

I hope this has cleared up your concerns...there's always hope.

[miltiades]

BIR WROTE:
""""Thank you ,Shah for your trust.It would indeed be pointless for anyone to pretend they are what they are not. Having lived away from the cauldron which is Cyprus ,we did achieve a certain "alienation effect" as Brecht would've called it. That is the ability to stand back a bit and look at the whole picture realistically. It is often difficult to see the wood from the trees when you are in the middle of it. TCs who live in the TRNC have my utmost respect.Those who are not profiting from the spoils of war that is.Those who try against great odds to maintain their identity and self respect and dignity. I believe they are the majority of the TC left on the island. Speaking for myself,I feel great pain seeing you people struggle to survive in that turbulent sea,clutching onto that leaking boat and swimming towards certain assimilation and death of your(my) community.While listening to 50 year old lullabies sang by our glorious leaders...
My pain is doubled because I know how proud TCs are as individuals,and how hard it is for them to know that the only people who can save them from extinction are their "enemies" on the other side,who seem to be taking a sadistic pleasure watching them with distain,and pushing them away with a smirk on their faces, towards their certain death... """"

Brilliant as always my dear friend.