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[BirKibrisli]

As I was coming down the stair
I saw a man who wasn't there
He wasn't there again today
O,how I wish he'd go away!

[Pyrpolizer]

I think this way of thinking is wider spread then you appreciate I have spoken to GCs and they say the GCs who live on the coast of south Cyprus don't care about unification they are more interested in getting richer and the benefits of having a purely GC state. Division has helped increase their wealth and any solution would bring competition form the north that would cause them to suffer economically, add to this power sharing and you have a large number of GC voters who also prefer to stay as they are.

This is nonsense. The vast majority of Cypriots think in a "family manner". There is no family among the GCs which is not at least 40% a refugee family.(Has refugee members) Those who deal with bussiness are actually people who were doing bussiness in the now occupied lands before 1974. Just to remind you that before 1974 70% of the bussiness was at the northern part. Those people still owe huge properties and lands at the northern part and they are actually waiting to get them back and re-establish their old business.
In a nutshell 70% of todays business people in the RoC controlled areas, ORIGINATE FROM THE OCCUPIED AREAS.

True we have about 20% GNP dependency on tourism. I have blood relatives holding top executive positions in the Tourist business. They already paid to receive advice from foreign experts how they would affected by a solution. In summary they were advised they would not get any negative impact within the first 5 years whereas depending on the kind of solution they would get from positive to extremely positive impact afterwards. Perhaps you would like to hear that they were also advised that the ONLY possibility for them to get negative impact was through partition.

@ kikapu.

I ‘ve seen yor solution plan my friend, and I agree completely. Like VP I prefer Cyprus will not have any army or guns.

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I think this way of thinking is wider spread then you appreciate I have spoken to GCs and they say the GCs who live on the coast of south Cyprus don't care about unification they are more interested in getting richer and the benefits of having a purely GC state. Division has helped increase their wealth and any solution would bring competition form the north that would cause them to suffer economically, add to this power sharing and you have a large number of GC voters who also prefer to stay as they are.

This is nonsense. The vast majority of Cypriots think in a "family manner". There is no family among the GCs which is not at least 40% a refugee family.(Has refugee members) Those who deal with bussiness are actually people who were doing bussiness in the now occupied lands before 1974. Just to remind you that before 1974 70% of the bussiness was at the northern part. Those people still owe huge properties and lands at the northern part and they are actually waiting to get them back and re-establish their old business.
In a nutshell 70% of todays business people in the RoC controlled areas, ORIGINATE FROM THE OCCUPIED AREAS.

True we have about 20% GNP dependency on tourism. I have blood relatives holding top executive positions in the Tourist business. They already paid to receive advice from foreign experts how they would affected by a solution. In summary they were advised they would not get any negative impact within the first 5 years whereas depending on the kind of solution they would get from positive to extremely positive impact afterwards. Perhaps you would like to hear that they were also advised that the ONLY possibility for them to get negative impact was through partition.

@ kikapu.

I ‘ve seen yor solution plan my friend, and I agree completely. Like VP I prefer Cyprus will not have any army or guns.

You have at lest 30% to 40% of your population who had nothing to do with North whatsoever, so they do not give a shit about reunification. Also consider direct flights going north and tourists visiting the north which were normally destined for the south, do you think this will not impact your tourism? it would send you reeling as your economy depends heavily on tourism. So these big business men are hardly going to share the cake with the north which yourself say was the better part of the island and has far more potential then the south.

[Kikapu]

You have at lest 30% to 40% of your population who had nothing to do with North whatsoever, so they do not give a shit about reunification. Also consider direct flights going north and tourists visiting the north which were normally destined for the south, do you think this will not impact your tourism? it would send you reeling as your economy depends heavily on tourism. So these big business men are hardly going to share the cake with the north which yourself say was the better part of the island and has far more potential then the south.

VP,

Why do you assume, in a 2 state 1 country solution, that these GC business man will not invest in the "TC State", in the tourism industry or any other industry. They will not be bared from doing business in the "North" or TC's doing business in the "South". It will be an open market for all, anywhere, or did you think, everything in the "North" would be exclusive for TC's to do business. Just think of all the jobs this would create to the TC's in the "North", by GC business man.

[Pyrpolizer]

I think this way of thinking is wider spread then you appreciate I have spoken to GCs and they say the GCs who live on the coast of south Cyprus don't care about unification they are more interested in getting richer and the benefits of having a purely GC state. Division has helped increase their wealth and any solution would bring competition form the north that would cause them to suffer economically, add to this power sharing and you have a large number of GC voters who also prefer to stay as they are.

This is nonsense. The vast majority of Cypriots think in a "family manner". There is no family among the GCs which is not at least 40% a refugee family.(Has refugee members) Those who deal with bussiness are actually people who were doing bussiness in the now occupied lands before 1974. Just to remind you that before 1974 70% of the bussiness was at the northern part. Those people still owe huge properties and lands at the northern part and they are actually waiting to get them back and re-establish their old business.
In a nutshell 70% of todays business people in the RoC controlled areas, ORIGINATE FROM THE OCCUPIED AREAS.

True we have about 20% GNP dependency on tourism. I have blood relatives holding top executive positions in the Tourist business. They already paid to receive advice from foreign experts how they would affected by a solution. In summary they were advised they would not get any negative impact within the first 5 years whereas depending on the kind of solution they would get from positive to extremely positive impact afterwards. Perhaps you would like to hear that they were also advised that the ONLY possibility for them to get negative impact was through partition.

@ kikapu.

I ‘ve seen yor solution plan my friend, and I agree completely. Like VP I prefer Cyprus will not have any army or guns.

You have at lest 30% to 40% of your population who had nothing to do with North whatsoever, so they do not give a shit about reunification. Also consider direct flights going north and tourists visiting the north which were normally destined for the south, do you think this will not impact your tourism? it would send you reeling as your economy depends heavily on tourism. So these big business men are hardly going to share the cake with the north which yourself say was the better part of the island and has far more potential then the south.

like I told you GCs think in a family manner and there is ZERO% GCs who do no have refugees in their families.

As for the bussiness part you know nothing about bussiness so better shut your mouth. It doesn't work like this. The pie is ALL Europe, there is plenty for everyone.

Just to clarify in case of partition YES our bussiness will be affected because you will become competitors with lower prices.
In case of unification you will not be competitors.

[Pyrpolizer]

Kikaku,

VP thinks in terms of Anan Plan. According to Anan Plan the GCs would not be able to operate bussiness in the TCCS. Like I said before I know people who got Expert legal advice from abroad regarding these matters. They specifically asked if with the Anan Plan solution they would be able to do bussiness. THE ANSWER WAS STRAIGHT NO.

Just for the information of VP who thinks the GCs were just carried away by propagandists in voting no...

Today VP is 2007. No bussinessman relys on propagandists and Politicians. THEY PAY WHOLE SACKS OF MONEY TO GET RESPONSIBLE INFORMATION.

[Pyrpolizer]

VP,

I have to be honest with you. I said I was glad you came back on Monday, and although you said I don't mean it, I can assure you I was honest. My English is not as good enough to spot spelling errors like Pitsilos, but I can follow someones logic. Starting from your post where I said you "speak Turkish" I have the opinion you are not the same person as before....

Quoting Nancy "I could be wrong of course"

[Viewpoint]

You have at lest 30% to 40% of your population who had nothing to do with North whatsoever, so they do not give a shit about reunification. Also consider direct flights going north and tourists visiting the north which were normally destined for the south, do you think this will not impact your tourism? it would send you reeling as your economy depends heavily on tourism. So these big business men are hardly going to share the cake with the north which yourself say was the better part of the island and has far more potential then the south.

VP,

Why do you assume, in a 2 state 1 country solution, that these GC business man will not invest in the "TC State", in the tourism industry or any other industry. They will not be bared from doing business in the "North" or TC's doing business in the "South". It will be an open market for all, anywhere, or did you think, everything in the "North" would be exclusive for TC's to do business. Just think of all the jobs this would create to the TC's in the "North", by GC business man.

No matter what the competition would increase from alternative places to go on holiday to whereas prior to unification GCs enjoyed exclusivity. Can you tell me the type of jobs any GC investor in the north would create and the potential demand would be for these jobs form TCs?

Again you are avoiding reality not all GC businessmen can go invest in the north and many small size establishments will lose out to the naturally more beautiful north.
Now tell me these people want unification and loss of their livlihoods.

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Pyrpolizer

VP thinks in terms of Anan Plan. According to Anan Plan the GCs would not be able to operate bussiness in the TCCS. Like I said before I know people who got Expert legal advice from abroad regarding these matters. They specifically asked if with the Anan Plan solution they would be able to do bussiness. THE ANSWER WAS STRAIGHT NO.

Depends on who is willing to come north and do business here for the benefit of the TC state, the tourist sector in the south will suffer from cheaper and more quality holidays on offer form the north, the incoming toursist will split into 2.

Just for the information of VP who thinks the GCs were just carried away by propagandists in voting no...

Today VP is 2007. No bussinessman relys on propagandists and Politicians. THEY PAY WHOLE SACKS OF MONEY TO GET RESPONSIBLE INFORMATION.

Source or do we take your word for it?

ike I told you GCs think in a family manner and there is ZERO% GCs who do no have refugees in their families.

Rubbish, so my 3rd cousin removed from my dads left bollox lost property what the hell do I care, I run a hotel that will lose 30% of it trade to the more beautiful north, thats what I care about, ho how can I stop this Ill vote NO.

As for the bussiness part you know nothing about bussiness so better shut your mouth. It doesn't work like this. The pie is ALL Europe, there is plenty for everyone.

Is this how your family taught you to respond to people, well you shut the fuck up, if all of Europe is your pie why havent your tourist numbers gone through the roof?

Just to clarify in case of partition YES our bussiness will be affected because you will become competitors with lower prices.
In case of unification you will not be competitors.

The effect will be the same just because there is a border doesnt mean that tourists will not have 2 choices north or south, the competition will be hot and fierce.

VP,

I have to be honest with you. I said I was glad you came back on Monday, and although you said I don't mean it, I can assure you I was honest. My English is not as good enough to spot spelling errors like Pitsilos, but I can follow someones logic. Starting from your post where I said you "speak Turkish" I have the opinion you are not the same person as before....

Quoting Nancy "I could be wrong of course"

You are totally wrong, what differences have you seen in my arguements that werent there before and may its because you werent really taking on board what I was actually saying.

[Kikapu]

You have at lest 30% to 40% of your population who had nothing to do with North whatsoever, so they do not give a shit about reunification. Also consider direct flights going north and tourists visiting the north which were normally destined for the south, do you think this will not impact your tourism? it would send you reeling as your economy depends heavily on tourism. So these big business men are hardly going to share the cake with the north which yourself say was the better part of the island and has far more potential then the south.

VP,

Why do you assume, in a 2 state 1 country solution, that these GC business man will not invest in the "TC State", in the tourism industry or any other industry. They will not be bared from doing business in the "North" or TC's doing business in the "South". It will be an open market for all, anywhere, or did you think, everything in the "North" would be exclusive for TC's to do business. Just think of all the jobs this would create to the TC's in the "North", by GC business man.

No matter what the competition would increase from alternative places to go on holiday to whereas prior to unification GCs enjoyed exclusivity. Can you tell me the type of jobs any GC investor in the north would create and the potential demand would be for these jobs form TCs?

Again you are avoiding reality not all GC businessmen can go invest in the north and many small size establishments will lose out to the naturally more beautiful north.
Now tell me these people want unification and loss of their livlihoods.

You are just assuming, that there won't be increase in the tourism, and other foreign investments. When there is more competition, customers will have more to choose from, hence less cost, hence increase in tourism. Besides, why do you care if the GC does not come and invest in the "North". This will mean more for you, once you are able to open your market to the outside world, in a new "United States of Cyprus", which we are not able to do now, due to the present situation.

A hand full of selfish GC business man will not be able to stop a peaceful solution, if the rest of us want it. As Pyropolizer stated, there are too many GC's who have land in the "North" that will want a solution. Lets do our part, to improve the lives of the TC's, and we let the GC's do their part to improve the lives of their own community in a new peaceful country of Cyprus.