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[Bananiot]

But, Alexander was a barbarian according to Demosthenes, who kept warning the Athenians to "beware, because the barbarian of the north is sailing south".

[Ghandi]

If Aturturk was studied by looking at Muslim,Greek,Kurdish and Turkish views.Students would gain a wider breadth of knowlege.This would create questions that would enable them to act in manner that is more rigurous instead of being as pitsilos says " being fed lies for so long that it is embeded in the brain at birth "

A silly thought but unlike Pitsilos i have the abiliy to read between the lines.,doing this i realise that there is some similarities in our thoughts.

He` also says that what is needed is community action.I agree as most communities do except that i am interested in education something that he is not understanding.

Students deserve to have the oppurtunity to become valued,thinking,creative members of the community.How can they going to be a member such as this if they are not given the opputunity to have different ideas in their stimuli,the chance to think about it and to inquire into their own interests to create something that has some authenticity.

i am not saying that having your rights trampled on becomes justifiable after a debate at school.I am merely saying that i like the Ancient greeks beleive that education should be more question based then answer based.If students come home and ask questions then the system is working better then if they are not.As for what answer i would give them well pitsilos i will state again that this is not my interest or expertise.

My knowledge is in the education field not in the Cypus problem.Some people on this sight may beleive that this means i cannot have an opinion that is useful on this sight.I understand their thoughts.

i am planning on doing a PHD on the education system of a comlex country and how the situation may be affected with a education system that is closer to being a "optimal learning enviroment"

I realise that may on this sight are not so interested in the education on the island.If you know of any more useful sights,books or people i would greatly appreciate it.to those who have given me food for thought,thank you.

As for Australians and there "ability to laugh at themselves"Mnay of the shows mentined are from the 70's the world has realised the harm done by words that are stereotype.

Acropolis now is more recent,the humour about greeks is made by greeks therefore losing its edge.Imagine if a non jew mad Borat,or if the whites started calling brown people nigger.

Pitsilos the ancestral owners of australia are known as aboriginies.A term that is racist and one that they do not want as they would prefer Koorie.I woder if their ancestral roots has given them the ability to laught at this.Also how do you feel living on there land which is a illegal occupation.The similarities are quite ironic.

As to my relationship to australia,i dont think it is of value except that it may make it easier for you to judge and then discriminate.Anti Muslim propaganda is expected considering the political climte and it has far more depth and complexity then just the Muftis comments.Also Chocolate can not be bessed islamically as it does not bleed silly.

To the poster who mentioned kasmir the education system is quite rigid creating distrust and hostility.The system creates nationalism and away from the education system the army has a huge amount of control.

As i said any ideas on how education can be changed or the process to do this or to be pointed in the direction to find those answers would be appreciated.

Alas was anyone involved in the interactive desighn and problem solving workshop b/w turks and greeks ? How was it ,it sounds like a great workshop for students

[pitsilos]

obviously you don't know shit from clay coz every single kit kat sold today is blessed by allah, misinformed one.

in the mean time you show me where the aboriginals prefer to be called koories
http://www.sofweb.vic.edu.au/koorie/curric.htm#consultation
yes the government makes references, but nowhere it says they should be called koories. but i agree with you koories is a more appropriate name, but to say they demand it is a felacy.

i will respond to the rest shortly.

[pitsilos]

A silly thought but unlike Pitsilos i have the abiliy to read between the lines.,doing this i realise that there is some similarities in our thoughts.

unlike? why would i read between lines when they are my own lines? , more likely saying i made sence, well thank you curry boy

He` also says that what is needed is community action.I agree as most communities do except that i am interested in education something that he is not understanding.

and what makes you think you are right master ghandi or should i call you the oracle. if you bother to read properly i said unification first and then history lessons, but i see in your haste your omited that i place history as secondary and action first? now why did you omit as to what i said? any particular reason?

Students deserve to have the oppurtunity to become valued,thinking,creative members of the community.How can they going to be a member such as this if they are not given the opputunity to have different ideas in their stimuli,the chance to think about it and to inquire into their own interests to create something that has some authenticity.

yes under normal circumstances i agree with you. but what we have in cyprus is not normal. again after unification i am all for are a written history with facts. because under the current circumstanes is impossible to be just impartial. looking for impartiality in cyprus is like, looking for hens teeth in a hay stack. just look at this forum for a example. but again you fail to grasp the situaton in cyprus. just the other day talat threaten with war. no amount of talking is gonna swing anything accross to impartaility as you put it.

i am not saying that having your rights trampled on becomes justifiable after a debate at school.I am merely saying that i like the Ancient greeks beleive that education should be more question based then answer based.If students come home and ask questions then the system is working better then if they are not.As for what answer i would give them well pitsilos i will state again that this is not my interest or expertise.

mate you are not making sence here for a teacher. kids ask questions they get answers. and then the cycle starts again. have you known any kids that stop with the first answer? of cource they are gonna come back. and they will also discuss it with the oldies at home, and in some cases they will get conflicting views. but end of the day their land is under occupation. cyprus has 3500 year history and to be told that it was taken by force is not going to make them any more impartial, same with the tcs. some cypriots went through hell since the conception of the republic. you think these people are being impartial? they are gonna tell the truth, as they saw it, and in turn, blood being thicker than water you ain't gonna win. this is why i say unification first re write history second. you need a starting point and history is secondary i am afraid.

My knowledge is in the education field not in the Cypus problem.Some people on this sight may beleive that this means i cannot have an opinion that is useful on this sight.I understand their thoughts.

well stick to topics you know because what we have in cyprus is a political problem, making this an abnormal situation. yes you can have an opinion but to insist whats good in a normal situation is the same as in an abnormality is ludicrous. and just for your information mix schools do exist in cyprus but the thinking is still the same. not so far we had a young student posting, by the name of klik, you might want to search his posts. its horrifying. please look it up and see for your self. I presume they don't teach the cyprus problem in these schools, coz, right or wrong, if they did there wouldn't be a mixed school. so i suggest before you go around offering advice and knowhow get to know your subject well. to his aid, he did defend the young tc when he was under attack, but regretted it later, which that was most unfortunate, called peer pressure ghandi.

i am planning on doing a PHD on the education system of a comlex country and how the situation may be affected with a education system that is closer to being a "optimal learning enviroment"

well good for you. which country have you got in mind? coz definetely cyprus doesn't fit your requirements, or shall i say try your luck in iraq. you never never know unless you try. your refreshing ideas as bananiot said, might me more appreciated.

I realise that may on this sight are not so interested in the education on the island.If you know of any more useful sights,books or people i would greatly appreciate it.to those who have given me food for thought,thank you.

you are wrong, people on this site will welcome a change in the education system based finally on facts rather than bravado/hearsay from boths sites. but first you need a starting point then you start adding to it. and the starting point is unification first.

As for Australians and there "ability to laugh at themselves"Mnay of the shows mentined are from the 70's the world has realised the harm done by words that are stereotype.

really well i watched the poms wrapped the one day cricket yesterday, and good on them. we got to keep the ashes with 5 nil win. did i mention yesterday, 2007? how come then the commentators called them poms? any idea on this one? how about a last year with guido hatzis? how about rockwiz on good old abc? ever watch these shows ghandi or are you really talking from your behind? i know we skips are stuck un a time warp. please spare me the bullshit ghandi, you simply are one of these individuals, as said ibefore that drinks his coffee with his pinky sticking out.

Acropolis now is more recent,the humour about greeks is made by greeks therefore losing its edge.Imagine if a non jew mad Borat,or if the whites started calling brown people nigger.

so what are you saying only greeks watch this show? mind you this show was on prime time tv, like 7:30, because only greeks watch it and therefore doesn't count. hmmm you got a point here ghandi. I am glad that you mentioned borat. now apart from stereotyping the jews what do you have to say about poor old kazakstan? the poor bastards took full page ads in US papers to explain themselves. did anyone scream out racism?, but as i see you focused on nigga. you are two face because the real victims were the kazakstans, and you mention nothing about them. well i watched the movie and i thought it was a scream. but if you think i would compare kazakstan as it was potrayed by borat you are greatly mistaken. it was a funny film. btw have you watched it? again your arguments hold no water. did i say borat 2 is coming out? and do you know why they are making a second one, curry boy? coz they made millions out of the first one. you see all the racists in this god damn cruel racists world were queying up to get tickets.

Pitsilos the ancestral owners of australia are known as aboriginies.A term that is racist and one that they do not want as they would prefer Koorie.I woder if their ancestral roots has given them the ability to laught at this.Also how do you feel living on there land which is a illegal occupation.The similarities are quite ironic.

the word aboriginal equates to racism? hmmm and silly me i thought it stands for indegenous people as per the explanation from every fucking dictionary in the world. but i will give the floor to tells what it means. are you sure you studied australian history coz i doubt it very much. as for the rest of you're blah, blah, blah, i won't even bother. well curry boy passing judgement on me for living on stolen land, i would give it back as soon as they ask for it and the government reimburses me coz, they sold it to me. i have no problem with accepting the indigenous people of australia, plus i would like to use their flag as the flag of australia rather than the hideous union jack, and sorry to all the poms out there, i just think we should become a republic.

As to my relationship to australia,i dont think it is of value except that it may make it easier for you to judge and then discriminate.Anti Muslim propaganda is expected considering the political climte and it has far more depth and complexity then just the Muftis comments.Also Chocolate can not be bessed islamically as it does not bleed silly.

oh but it is curry boy, coz you made some serious accusations from your behind that needed reply, such as you have no clue what the the australian culture is all about, but you are than more happy to talk through your behind. well as we say, you talk the talk but you ain't walking the walk. why?
so i ask you again, what state, what city, what suburb, not answering only deminishes your credibility. yeah you been around and you know better. yes we had some police raids, but the mufti going around and calling women naked meat to just justify rape, is not on, saying the muslims have more rights in australia because they paid to get here, is not on, saying our laws ain't fair to muslims is wrong. muslims geteing busted for planning shit around mel and sydney is not on. bashing a volunteer life saver is not on.
i think i answered you about the kit kat and how is blessed by allah, misinformed one. can i have the same right on the kit kat. how about all these christians, should they demand a picture of jesus on everything? would that be fair to the muslims? probably not. so why aren't the muslims giving and taking? you see how prejudices are made from? and whos fault is this, who rocked the boat? i would let you decide on this one. but then again your style of teaching might be more appropriate in australia than cyprus.

i would appreciate if you keep your bullshit reply to me as short as possible and with facts this time. think you can do it? itry and use india your motherland as an example because you will have an easier time passing the bullshit through. but somehow i doubt very much you are indian.

[Ghandi]

You make some valid points but your rigid and rude ways; This is short and definitely factual just like you wanted ,

[pitsilos]

You make some valid points

thank you

as for the rest here is

for your dribble, and feel free to take as many as you want.

[cypezokyli]

hallo ghandi and welcome to the forum.
nice refreshing views.

now as to the questions you asked, heres the views of some academics :

spyros spyrou 2001 "those living on the other side : ethnic identity and imagination in the greek cypriot children minds , in children and anthropology : perspectives for the 21st century ed. Helen Schwartzman

spyrou also has an article , with more gcs and tcs on the question of identity in :
papadakis, peristerianis, welz : Divided cyprus : Modernity , History and an island in conflict (2006) ISBN 0-253-34751-3

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Divided-Cyprus- ... 0253218519


some chapters include :
children constructing ethnic identities in cyprus (spyrou)

cypriot nationalism, dual identity and politics (peristerianis)

de-ethnisizing the ethnography of cyprus. political and social conflict between turkish cypriots and settlers from turkey (yael navaro-yashin)

etc

enjoy ...