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Postby Viewpoint » Mon Feb 12, 2007 2:28 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:Any references to what you are saying?


The British Government...

The point I am trying to make is we can throw accusations at each other until we are blue in the face but the real issue should be educating our children in a manner that does not contaminate their minds and that another English school incident does not occur. They should be allowed to investigate and find information for themselves but it appears that you would rather get them to digest and memorize information as you wish to feed them, this is just another form of brainwashing and new generations will be no better than the current one.
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Postby pitsilos » Mon Feb 12, 2007 2:35 pm

why are lattifas letters out of bounds? the way i see it by being out of bounds ataturk's story is not really on the up and up. some people claim he liked young boys.

one thing is for sure, if anything good is in these letters, i don't doubt it for a minute they would have been part of the text books.
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Postby Ghandi » Mon Feb 12, 2007 2:39 pm

History is a concern but i dont think t is my major concern.I just think that it highlihts my concerns really well.Students should have the ability discuss,find implications,reason etc etc and this is not subject related.

To Lena i have taugth the French,Russian,American revolutions,Australian history,media studies,literature and legal studies.My continuing study has meen on teaching methodologoes.

This was in Australia and New Zealand and i am currently about to start wok In Kuwait teaching creative writing.

The public education system is notorious for teaching national identity.The extent and the way it is taught is were the harm is done.

Someone also asked that is it the maths teacher who teaches the nationalist bullshit ?My answer is maybe.A teachers job is multi faceted and in a system that promotes limited creativity allows brainwashing to have more class time.

It was interesting to hear that the superiority of the ancient Philosophers gives the Kids in south Cyprus the oppurtunity to imagine that they also are.Yet what made these philosophers great is the exact opposite of education these kids are receiving.With some inquiy based learning i am sure these students will find a similar conclusion.

To Pitsilos and his question as to what i would say if asked about Turkish Arms not allowingpeople back to the ancestral lands ?I would not say anything.I would give the students the opputuniy to lisen to a couple of guest speakers from either side.I would allow the students to debate acting as different groups,eg Turks,Lefties etc etc.

Pitsilos without spending to much time on your perverse view of "Aussies laughing at themselves",I completely disagree.Being called a wog goes marginalise and in no way is a term of Aussie endearment.Also people do not go to a Asian restaraunt and say thanks Nip,this language is used to stereotype and categorise people therefore taking away elements of there humanity.

Its more laughing at others then laughing at oneself.This picture of utopian Multi-culturalism where racism is now a virtue that others dont have is wrong.Race riots,Koories die 15-20 years earlier then the rest of Aus,Muslim bashing propanda and the treatment of Refugees.If they stopped laughing at themselves then the part that is not fun may have more of an effect.

What is the education of teachers like?Are they being taught qustioning and discussion techniques?

I am not saying that 11 year olds should reach university levels but that the skills and the intent can be taught in Kindergarden eg Philosophy for children.

Humility,Humanity and Self Knowledge seem to be needed on this Island as it is everwhere.How high of a priority is it for people on the sight to have these in the education system ?
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Mon Feb 12, 2007 3:09 pm

Viewpoint wrote: The British Government...


Written evidence please. Not hearsay stories…


Buy this book Viewpoint. It will make you sick

http://www.amazon.ca/Turkey-Modern-Hist ... 1850433992

This study succeeds where others fail because it dares to take on the myth and the legend of Kemal Attaturk, a figure revered in Turkey (it is illegal and a crime to criticize him in print or on the internet in Turkey). This study discusses in detail Attaturk's voracious homosexual appetite, his taste for young boys, particularly Greek, Jewish and Armenian under the age of 14, and his male lover who lived with him until his death in 1938, a national hero and legend.
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Postby pitsilos » Mon Feb 12, 2007 3:18 pm

To Pitsilos and his question as to what i would say if asked about Turkish Arms not allowingpeople back to the ancestral lands ?I would not say anything.I would give the students the opputuniy to lisen to a couple of guest speakers from either side.I would allow the students to debate acting as different groups,eg Turks,Lefties etc etc.

yes and thats gonna cut it. you longing for your ancestral lands and your kid is gonna find out from a couple of speakers. we don't need speakers ghandi, we got plenty, what we do need is community actions

i would agree with your argument, if it was concerning greece and turkey. but when you have a country under occupation and you being the son/ daughter of a refugee, from both sides, that experienced hardships, not allowed to go to your ancestral lands, etc, its pretty hard to stay neutral. how do you expain to your son/daughter that 32 years you got kicked out and never to return. how as a parent that is a victim in all this, take a step back and have your rights trampled justifiable by a debate at school?. ain't you gonna come home and ask questions? and what do you think answers the would be?

i would say first agree on a solution and then rewrite history


ghandi you obviously were absent when sitcoms, such "kingswood country" back in the mid seventies, and "acropolis now", in the mid eighties. ever being to a comedy festival ghandi? ever watch a graham kennedy show? remember the cecil character?and the list goes on and on.

well as a greek cypriot, i found "acropolis now" one hell of a show. making fun of greeks. how could you not love effie. :lol:

ever heard guido hatzis on triple m ghandi, at prime time?

the list goes on and on. i can provide as many as you want ghandi
what i see is you getting offended at the word wog, but you have no problem watching and listening to the cricket while the commentators refer to the english as poms. now why is that?

ghandi, were you born in australia? or how many years have you spend down under. and where did you live? which city and suburb? i bet you drink your coffee with your little pinky sticking out, don't you?

Its more laughing at others then laughing at oneself.This picture of utopian Multi-culturalism where racism is now a virtue that others dont have is wrong.Race riots,Koories die 15-20 years earlier then the rest of Aus,Muslim bashing propanda and the treatment of Refugees.If they stopped laughing at themselves then the part that is not fun may have more of an effect

who said anything about laughing at riots and the ill treatment of refugees? who is laughing at the misfortunes of others? curry boy are you now putting words to my mouth.

as far as muslim propaganda, well you can only blame the mufti for all this shit. he is the one that said women in australia are like uncovered meat, to justify rape, mind you. and then he goes on and says the muslims have more right in being in australia because they paid to get here. I mean what do you want ghandi? you call this muslim bashing? what about the one that says our judicial system is unfair to muslims. i suppose you agree wit this one, right. challenging the australian laws now are we? should we also split up auastralia? and get a couple of speakers to explain it to us?

lets look at the incident in sydney for a minute. what gave the muslim thugs the right to go to the beach, abuse and beat up the life guard. have you seen how they justify it the news? I am not one for violence, but some people just got pissed off.

how about on australia day, in australia, in sydney the australian flag was banned for flying because of fear it might offend some people. what the fuck, australia day in australia you can't fly the flag. shall we also call a couple of speakers to explain this to us? mind you i am all for a new flag, but i will not impose my will on the rest or go on hooligan spree.

and ghandi, can you explain to me why my kit kat has to be blessed by allah? why is everything i buy has to be blessed by allah. have we ever insisted on a muslim to show tolerance towards christianity as we show to them? I am not religious ghandi, and i will enjoy my kit kat, blessed or not blessed, but this is taking things to the max. some people are not happy. shouldn't we concider and respect their views? or you have to be a muslim to get your views respected. shall we also call a couple of speakers to again explain it to us, backwards people?

again you might have lived in australia but really you have no clue as to how the country works and ticks. ever got your fingernails dirty ghandi? i very much doubt it.

ps. since you used the word nips, have you actually got a clue what it means? did you know that Japan used to be called nippon, hence nips, short for japanese. now tell again how i am taking away elements of there humanity? do you have any understanding of the australian culture? or have you been stereotyped by your parents to see us all skips as backwards savages on a walk about expedition?
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Postby karma » Mon Feb 12, 2007 3:18 pm

alexander the gr8 was a gay..
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Postby karma » Mon Feb 12, 2007 3:20 pm

so they gays r not tht bad ... actually they r very smart, inspired, talented, genious people..
for ur info Pyro.. :)
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Postby karma » Mon Feb 12, 2007 3:22 pm

but unfotunately Ataturk was not a gay, he really loved the women and wine ...for ur info again ..
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Mon Feb 12, 2007 3:27 pm

Thats not what the book says Karma hanum. :razz:
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Mon Feb 12, 2007 3:29 pm

It says he was a pedophile something that Viewpoint rejected as a SICK HABIT some time ago and I totally agree with him
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